SsgtC
Banned
Far too costly! Especially when you can just use a barge instead!they could charter some big cruise ships!
Far too costly! Especially when you can just use a barge instead!they could charter some big cruise ships!
barges aren't sneaky enough. Charter some big cruise ships, and everyone will assume they are just a bunch of tourists instead of the cream of the German Army...Far too costly! Especially when you can just use a barge instead!
also, they would at least have funbarges aren't sneaky enough. Charter some big cruise ships, and everyone will assume they are just a bunch of tourists instead of the cream of the German Army...
Akureyri airport : first scheduled air travel 1928... - airfields. Iceland in 1940 might have had about 1 very small airfield.
Lil' reminder :...
The USS Nautilus (Narwhal class) 4000 tonne submarine has a cargo capacity (optimistic) of about 20 tonnes. Configured as a pure cargo sub... maybe 50 tonnes.
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Now that is the US doing it the hard way from Maine... without serious opposition.
That is ?
... your use of wrong numbers ?
No. That the cargo needed by the troops reacts very badly to seawater. Therefore, it needs to be carried within the pressure hull. Very little that the troops need can be carried wetThat is ?
... your use of wrong numbers ?
It is my understanding that Germany cannot "win" in the sense that it's normally meant. If the RAF gets chewed too badly, well they pull back out of range of German aircraft to refit and regroup. We'll assume that the Blitz never happens, but still, once the German troops start showing up, the RAF WILL be back.
1) RAF - as others have pointed out, it's bit of an issue == if the RAF start to loose big they can pull back . however Luftwaffe COULD have taken down Chain Home transmitters (and stuck to bombing RAF airfields) .. so a surprise dawn landing would be possible, maybe even with local air superiority ..
Donitz suggested narrowing the front to pretty much just the area right across from Calais, and any player character would probably do well to heed his warnings. I imagine the Luftwaffe maybe getting the upperhand (though not total Air Supremacy since the RAF can always retreat out of range) in Britain after a year of focused attacks on Fighter Command, but the Germans will never get Naval Superiority let alone Supremacy.
The Navy would not have been gutted, even by a catastrophic failure of Dynamo. They would have lost some forty destroyers and a cruiser, and maybe some auxiliaries. Even the RAF would not be gutted by catastrophic losses. Yes, it would hurt, but not enough to cause an invasion. I believe only 14 squadrons of aircraft were committed.
If the aim is to withdraw out of effective range of the Bf109 then Fighter Command is left to operate from a line north of Filton/Colerne, Wittering and Coltishall.
Not really... The Germans already had effective air supremacy over large parts of the Channel from the end of July 1940, the straights of Dover are at extreme range for fighters stationed at Coltishall and out of range for those at Wittering. Filton would still be able to send fighters to Portsmouth and surroundings however. As far as I'm aware Bomber Command had no airfields in the south of England but Coastal Command and the FAA did.So basically they would be reduced to covering the Channel about as effectively as the German fighter force and of course Bomber and Coastal Command stations with increasing effectiveness the further north you fly.
Not really... The Germans already had effective air supremacy over large parts of the Channel from the end of July 1940, the straights of Dover are at extreme range for fighters stationed at Coltishall and out of range for those at Wittering. Filton would still be able to send fighters to Portsmouth and surroundings however. As far as I'm aware Bomber Command had no airfields in the south of England but Coastal Command and the FAA did.
I believe the effective combat range of the Me109 was London and the Thames. Airfields like Duxford, Debden, North Weald etc. could be (and were) bombed but weren't as vulnerable as those south of the Thames. With mobile radar stations on the North Downs, plus the ROC, Fighter Command would have remained an operational force able to contest airspace over the Channel and escort bomber missions over the beaches or littoral. Not sure how many targets the RN would have left them though by Day 3.There is always mention of Fighter Command being able to “Pull back” or retreat if the going got tough but I’d be fascinated to know what peoples definition of retreat is. Where would the squadrons be stationed, how far do they retreat, what kind of defence could they offer?
If the aim is to withdraw out of effective range of the Bf109 then Fighter Command is left to operate from a line north of Filton/Colerne, Wittering and Coltishall.
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Fair enough, I just looked at the facts, Dover abandoned as a Destroyer base, convoys not permitted through the straights of Dover, the fact that the Luftwaffe could put 500-600 Bf109s into the air, fly to Dover and return before a couple of dozen British fighters could intercept and the fact that Fighter Command standing orders said that combat over the sea should be avoided at all costs. To me that adds up to the Luftwaffe having air supremacy over that part of the Channel at least. Obviously you know better and I'd be more than interested to read the source you have that says my assumptions are wrong.Yes really... contrary to the notion of effective air supremacy the Kriegsmarine were pissed at the Luftwaffe for failing in their eyes to support the Sea Lion mission at all. If enemy air is preventing your Navy from carrying out its mission that is ergo not air supremacy.
The effective range of the Bf109 during the September attacks on London was limited by the need to take off and linger whilst the bombers formed up and by the requirement to provide a close escort to the bombers. The typical distance to central London following the path of the Thames is approximately 100 miles, the distance to Duxford, the most northerly of the airfields mentioned is 110 miles in a more direct route. Without the need for close escort or linger time for the larger bomber formations used against London this is easily within effective range.I believe the effective combat range of the Me109 was London and the Thames. Airfields like Duxford, Debden, North Weald etc. could be (and were) bombed but weren't as vulnerable as those south of the Thames. With mobile radar stations on the North Downs, plus the ROC, Fighter Command would have remained an operational force able to contest airspace over the Channel and escort bomber missions over the beaches or littoral. Not sure how many targets the RN would have left them though by Day 3.