"I thought you had the cold weather gear."
I like cruel triple entendre humor. Well played, sir!
"I thought you had the cold weather gear."
See Bastogne or Korea for examples of THAT particular gaffe"I thought you had the cold weather gear."
See Bastogne or Korea for examples of THAT particular gaffe
Hey, if there's only room on the train for bullets or coats, you send the bullets, I guess.See Bastogne or Korea for examples of THAT particular gaffe
Amphibious assaults, whether successful or failures, did not tend to generate the level of casualties that major land battles generate. Dieppe was the worst Allied amphibious defeat, (nearly the only one), with about 3,000 casualties. Total Soviet casualties in WW2 was about 13 million, or about 8,900 per day.
See anywhere really where glaringly obvious facts were missed leading to massive SNAFUs.See Attu instead.
I have to agree, and I know that they really didn't have the equipment to set up the invasion forces properly anyway, but I still feel for the poor SOB's that had to go ashore.See anywhere really where glaringly obvious facts were missed leading to massive SNAFUs.
Yes, I'm a Marine. The Aleutiane wouldn't be my top choice. The weather there is nasty and you only have a small window each year where you can carry out productive training. The only way I can see them being useful for widespread use is if you're planning to invade northern Russia.IIUC, you were a marine? What would you think about setting up an amphibious landing training base in the Aleutian islands? Probably the worst place to train beginners, but maybe the best place to train elite/special forces?
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It's because of the number of changes needed, honestly. And WHEN those changes are needed. For example, in AANW, the 3rd Reich wins at Stalingrad with more men, better preparation and Stalin catching the idiotball and purging STAVKA after his namesake city is lost. Believable considering his OTL actions, even if implausible.I personally do wonder why Unternehmen Seelöwe is regarded as impossible on a forum where Hitler's winning Barbarossa is not considered impossible, but 運転封印 (that's Japanese for Operation Sealion, according to Google) is definitely something that requires a few caves full of ASBs.
I personally do wonder why Unternehmen Seelöwe is regarded as impossible on a forum where Hitler's winning Barbarossa is not considered impossible, but 運転封印 (that's Japanese for Operation Sealion, according to Google) is definitely something that requires a few caves full of ASBs.
Considering that US amphibious doctrine goes all the way back to Winfield Scott and his assault on Vera Cruz in the Mexican American war, are we even sure 20 years is enough for the Herr?
For a scratch team, crash course, yeah, they could do it. It wouldn't be very refined and it wouldn't have as high a chance of success as say, Normandie. But they could develop at least a useable doctrine and basic equipment. Probably "Jack-of-all-trades" vs the Allied specialized equipment, but it would at least be capable of getting men, equipment and supplies ashore.Considering that US amphibious doctrine goes all the way back to Winfield Scott and his assault on Vera Cruz in the Mexican American war, are we even sure 20 years is enough for the Herr?
To be fair, many people on this forum have speculated that if the Germans can't achieve surprise at least about the moment they set off from the French side of the Channel, it's debatable how much if any of Wave 1 arrives on time and in the right place.And that's Day 1, and that's the problem. I don't think I have ever seen a situation where the Germans can't get men, equipment and supplies ashore on Day 1. It is Day 2, and 3, and so on where the problems begin. The defenders are able to sit on the invader's supply lines to enough of a degree that the ground troops can't maintain a successful offensive. The defending troops don't have to be supermen. They just need to get the invaders spending more bullets than they are receiving on the supply ships.
Is 1917 far enough back for you? Try Operation AlbionConsidering that US amphibious doctrine goes all the way back to Winfield Scott and his assault on Vera Cruz in the Mexican American war, are we even sure 20 years is enough for the Herr?
Is 1917 far enough back for you? Try Operation AlbionAs a result of this operation, there were trials of landing craft (they used horse barges with ramps for the operation) and OKW was setup to co-ordinate the efforts of the different branches of the Wehrmacht but it was taken over by Hitler as his secretariat. So in a non-ASB world you would have OKW functioning as intended and some more vigorous work done on the landing craft development. The Kriegsmarine had a battalion of marines in 1940 that were used in the invasion of the Channel Islands, the Invasion of Poland, and the 1941 invasion of the Baltic islands. Perhaps they could be expanded to a regiment or a brigade without worrying anyone except the Heer (later in the war they had naval divisions so perhaps the army could be persuaded to let that happen earlier). The German marines were first formed in 1852, is that far back enough?