Bayezid II & Granada.

Bayezid II, Ottoman Sultan, sends a fleet to the Sultanate of Granada. This causes the war of Ferninand & Isabel to ultimately fail, or be delayed for several years. Can Granada survive now?
 

Philip

Donor
It seems to me that the Ottomans would need to continually send support to Granada for it to survive. Castile is definitely on the upswing here, and they will eventually Granada down. I imagine it would be a large, and ultimately unsuccessful, drain on Ottoman resources. Besides, the Ottomans had the Mamluks to deal with at this time.
 
Seconded. granada was on its last legs, and it would require a major long-term investment by the ottomans to keep it afloat.
 

Philip

Donor
Mehmet's Italy campaign succeeds, Ottomans go onto to vassalize Grenada, it might have a chance of survival

Okay, let's recap. The Granada War ran from 1482 to 1492. IIRC, Granada lost access to the Mediterranean around 1487. What are the Ottomans up to?

Mehmet invades Italy in 1480. You propose he succeeds. How long does it take him to actually conquer it? How long does it take him to pacify it? Suppressing rebellions and repelling crusaders will occupy a vast amount of Ottoman resources.

When Mehmet dies, Ottoman success in Italy is likely to lead to Cem receiving significant Western support. The civil war will be at least a distraction for the Ottomans.

Following OTL, Matthias Corvinus and Stephen Bathory in Hungary and Stephen III in Moldavia will be fighting the Ottomans in the Balkans. OTL, Matthias was able to force the Ottomans out of northern Serbia. ITTL, with the Ottoman forces being tied up in Italy, he will be in a strong position to put pressure on the Ottomans. Factor in the possibility that that Ottoman successes in Italy might motivate Poland to fight with (or at least 'protect') Moldavia rather than invading it, and the Ottomans start to get strained.

Now, while all this is going on, you propose that Bayezid is also able to send a force across the Med that can fight off Castile and Aragon? And in their own back yard?

For the Ottomans' sake, I hope the Mamluks are too occupied with communial singing to think about retaking any Ottoman conquests. Maybe the melodic sounds will keep the Qizilbash sufficiently distracted that they won't be able to find their red hats and rise up in rebellion.

All in all, I think your proposal is a tad ambitious.
 

Nikephoros

Banned
One thing also to keep in mind: Granada only lasted as long as it did because it's survival was in the POLITICAL interests of Castile to keep around.
 
When Mehmet dies, Ottoman success in Italy is likely to lead to Cem receiving significant Western support. The civil war will be at least a distraction for the Ottomans.

Okay, assuming the civil war still happens. How do they support Cem? And how does this not make Cem look like a foreign puppet who's instantly discreditted?

Anyway, I think people who are dismissing Granada are ignoring how long it took to subdue the damn place OTL. With some additional money for defenses, it could be a nice place to bleed the Spanish.
 
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