Bavarian Civil War

Hey guys, I'm thinking of doing a civil war in Bavaria during 2016/2017. I started research into Bavarian independence and found a string of Bavarian movements throughout the 20th and 21st century to make it independent, what do you guys think. Should I do it?
 
Hey guys, I'm thinking of doing a civil war in Bavaria during 2016/2017. I started research into Bavarian independence and found a string of Bavarian movements throughout the 20th and 21st century to make it independent, what do you guys think. Should I do it?


As a Bavarian, short of the Warsaw Pact invading in the 80s this is ASB.
 
I don't see any reason why anyone would start war in Bavaria. And even if someone is nut enough starting war, Bundeswehr would crush that quickly.
 
how about Prince Rupprecht working with the Allies from early on and with the help of King George after the war is allowed regaining his throne in Bavaria as part of a Constitutional Monarchy within West Germany. Having a monarch over time gives bavaria a different sense of identity
 

Nebogipfel

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Highly unprobable. The again, with a post '45 POD I could imagine a situation where the Bayernpartei does not collapse due to corruption. But even then they probably would be a minor party still (in the <10% range). Still, enough of a platform to gain more attention (plus a weaker CSU). But civil war? Nah.
 

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how about Prince Rupprecht working with the Allies from early on and with the help of King George after the war is allowed regaining his throne in Bavaria as part of a Constitutional Monarchy within West Germany.

Do you mean post-WWII? Was Rupprecht "working with the Allies" OTL? Still think in a post-OTL WWI world, the chances of a German Monarchy, constitutional or not, are exceedingly slim. Good ol' Willy screwed that particular pooch.

Having a monarch over time gives bavaria a different sense of identity

Bavarians already have a different sense of identity to the rest of Germany. They always have had. Being a Catholic region in a largely Protestant country country contributed heavily to that. Speaking a different dialect is another point of difference, although I'm not sure how widespread or in fact different Austria-Bavarian is from standard German.
 

Redbeard

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If one of the sides would wear those sky blue uniforms and crested helmets like in Napoleonic wars I would gladly join that side - no matter what the rest is about :)

Apart from that I think a post 1945 is difficult - even if the Bavarians still are very - special...

But if you go further back any PoD reducing Prussian prominence will almost automaticall increase the Bavarian ditto. That might motivate the Baviarans to "take no shit" from the rest of Germany and especially the Prussians - ie how to start a civil war.
 
Bavarians already have a different sense of identity to the rest of Germany. They always have had. Being a Catholic region in a largely Protestant country country contributed heavily to that. Speaking a different dialect is another point of difference, although I'm not sure how widespread or in fact different Austria-Bavarian is from standard German.
Yes. However the problem with that translating to an active secessionist movement, is that the German Federal Republic, is as it's name says quite federal in nature. Meaning even though Bavaria has to put up with lots of stuff from the overbearing Prussians ;) , they retain autonomy in plenty of other matters. IMO for Bavaria to have a substantial secessionist movement you'd need post-45 West Germany to become a France or Britain style unitary state. But even then Bavarian regionalism would barring ASB intervention look like the situation in Scotland or at worst Catalonia, rather than a guerilla war.
 
The Soviets and Warsaw pact invades and NATO after some costly battles sells out west Germany (already borderline ASB). Bavaria gets incorporated into the GDR and a local communist puppet gets installed. Tge various Schützenvereine, Kameradschaften and stay behind organizations, together with Groups like Wehrsportgruppe Hoffmann start an insurrection.
 
Unless the WAllies decide to give Bavaria independence, this is ASB territory. And even then... maybe the Franconians will try to secede back to Germany?
 
Why would Franconians secede?

Because we are our own thing and didn't join Bavaria voluntarily? It took nearly 200 years for us to be somewhat happy with being part of Bavaria. The Franconian party is still sitting in some regional parliaments.
 
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