Battle of the Bulge, German victory?

I understand that the provisions OTL make it ASB and would require changed on multiple occasions for this to be feasible.

For starters, perhaps Hitler is much less paranoid of the Army and loosened the leash he has. Enough for them to act with a bit more independence.

To be Frank, it would take a lot of looking into to say exactly how different things would have to be for Germany to have enough men, resources, etc to mount a successul offensive to knock the allies out in the Battle of the Bulge.

My overall question is, should Germany had succeded, what is the feasabity of Germany holding the Russians off and maybe changing the mind of the allies from total unconditional surrender to a peace agreement; which seemed to be Hitler's idea for the operation.
 

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The easiest way would be to change the goal and call it the same operation title:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Bulge#Drafting_the_offensive
Several senior German military officers, including Generalfeldmarschall Walter Model and Gerd von Rundstedt, expressed concern as to whether the goals of the offensive could be realized. Model and von Rundstedt both believed aiming for Antwerp was too ambitious, given Germany's scarce resources in late 1944. At the same time, they felt that maintaining a purely defensive posture (as had been the case since Normandy) would only delay defeat, not avert it. They thus developed alternative, less ambitious plans that did not aim to cross the Meuse River (in German and Dutch: Maas); Model's being Unternehmen Herbstnebel (Operation Autumn Mist) and von Rundstedt's Fall Martin ("Plan Martin"). The two field marshals combined their plans to present a joint "small solution" to Hitler.[e][f] When they offered their alternative plans, Hitler would not listen. Rundstedt later testified that while he recognized the merit of Hitler's operational plan, he saw from the very first that "all, absolutely all conditions for the possible success of such an offensive were lacking."[40]:24

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Herbstnebel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Martin

So if something like this is pulled off that leaves Germans a bit of breathing room in the west...but leaves them none in the East. They had shot their last bolt and the Soviet offensives of 1945 are coming and are basically unstoppable. No change in outcome.
 
a more successful german bulge just means its worse for them when the Brits from the north and the Americans from the south cut them off
 

nbcman

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Hitler was the one that drove the Army to attempt the attack. If he loosened the leash on the Army and allowed them to create an offensive plan in the West, it would have been similar to one of the alternate and more limited offensive plans created by FM Model or FM Rundstedt - See Operation Herbstnebel and Martin.

EDIT: ninjaed.
 
Yes, that plan wanted to conduct smaller operations. Almost wanting to mostly stun the allies rather than deal a mortal blow.

I think that it is hopeless on the easternfront none the less, but it seemed so in ww1 before Hindenburg came into The picture.

The ratio was like 15:1 overall against the Russians. I was thinking maybe someone knows more details that would point out a possibility of an armistice.
 
I think using this force on the Russian Front would have helped in that the Soviets would have not advanced as far while the Western Allies would have pushed further east...
 
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