Battle of Sakarya

How can the Greeks win the battle of Sakarya and what are the effects of this conclusive victory? Can they continue the advance to Ankara? Would Kemal be force to come to terms?
 
How can the Greeks win the battle of Sakarya and what are the effects of this conclusive victory? Can they continue the advance to Ankara? Would Kemal be force to come to terms?

Think Germans on an overextended front deep in Russia in WW2. The same issues will apply. Just like the partisans and such raiding the German rear and interrupting the supply chain, the Turkish cavalry will continue to do the same.
 
Think Germans on an overextended front deep in Russia in WW2. The same issues will apply. Just like the partisans and such raiding the German rear and interrupting the supply chain, the Turkish cavalry will continue to do the same.

True, but they can't disrupt all supplies going to the Greeks, but i see what you mean. What if Ankara falls? Where can the Turkish capital be moved?
 
True, but they can't disrupt all supplies going to the Greeks, but i see what you mean. What if Ankara falls? Where can the Turkish capital be moved?

Ankara at the time was just an oversized market town. Suppose they could move S. to Konya or E. to one of several other Anatolian plateau towns. Fear of impending Winter on the Plateau was one of the reasons besides the Turkish resistance and logistical problems that the Greeks began to retreat.

The Turks apparently were raising major havoc amongst the Greek logistical train OTL.
 
Ankara at the time was just an oversized market town. Suppose they could move S. to Konya or E. to one of several other Anatolian plateau towns. Fear of impending Winter on the Plateau was one of the reasons besides the Turkish resistance and logistical problems that the Greeks began to retreat.

The Turks apparently were raising major havoc amongst the Greek logistical train OTL.

In the event of Greeks capturing Ankara, i assume the Turks will retreat either East or South East, hoping the Greeks will continue chasing them?

Also, i assume the Greeks will retreat to more manageable positions in this event as well?
 
In the event of Greeks capturing Ankara, i assume the Turks will retreat either East or South East, hoping the Greeks will continue chasing them?

Also, i assume the Greeks will retreat to more manageable positions in this event as well?

I assume Yes and yes.
The Greek Army wasn't broken at Sakarya. It did destroy their momentum. And they tried to retreat to more manageable positions, which they initially did in good order and with their equipment. But the Greeks replaced a competent commander with an incompetent one and after a period of stalemate, it was downhill from there.
 
I assume Yes and yes.
The Greek Army wasn't broken at Sakarya. It did destroy their momentum. And they tried to retreat to more manageable positions, which they initially did in good order and with their equipment. But the Greeks replaced a competent commander with an incompetent one and after a period of stalemate, it was downhill from there.

Eventually, regardless of momentum, the Greeks will have to retreat.

Just wondering, what would you think would happen in this scenario?

Truce soon? Greeks evacuating Asia Minor?
 
Eventually, regardless of momentum, the Greeks will have to retreat.

Just wondering, what would you think would happen in this scenario?

Truce soon? Greeks evacuating Asia Minor?

The Greeks were trying for a dictated settlement based on success in the war. If they had not tried to push as far as they did and had maintained stable lines closer to the coast, they might have managed it. The lack of expected British and French support which didn't really materialize were factors too. After Sakarya, any help from those parties would totally evaporate.
The Greeks could conceivably have won Sakarya and taken Ankara, but I doubt they could hold it long, unless the Turk military had been badly beaten.
 
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