Battle of Najera

In 1367, Pedro the Cruel with backing from the English, fought the battle of Najera against his bastard relation Henry of Trastamara, he won the battle thanks mainly to the English longbow, but Henry escaped and would go on to win the throne. What would happen if Henry had died during the battle?
 
Is it possible that with Henry dead, Peter might actually last on the throne of Castille? Thus potentially negating Edward having to remain within Castile, and therefore being able to return to Aquitaine?
 
If Pedro wins at Najera in a Tewkesbury-style, perhaps he pays his debts to Edward, who is able to reduce the taxes upon Aquitaine, avoid bankrupcy and the rebellion. Perhaps he can avoid getting the illness that killed him in 1376!!!
 
If Pedro wins at Najera in a Tewkesbury-style, perhaps he pays his debts to Edward, who is able to reduce the taxes upon Aquitaine, avoid bankrupcy and the rebellion. Perhaps he can avoid getting the illness that killed him in 1376!!!

Okay very interesting, I suppose then that he might well become king when his old man clocks it in 1377
 
Two things.

If Edward the Black Prince has a long life as his father, he may die around 1390. Perhaps, if butterflies are kind enough, he is not going to loose his son Edward of Angoulême, the elder brother of Richard II.

IT would be interesting how would Edward (IV) deal with the Peasant's Revolt.

Pedro, by the way, needs also to get rid of his half-brothers Tello Alfonso and . Sancho Alfonso.
 
Two things.

If Edward the Black Prince has a long life as his father, he may die around 1390. Perhaps, if butterflies are kind enough, he is not going to loose his son Edward of Angoulême, the elder brother of Richard II.

IT would be interesting how would Edward (IV) deal with the Peasant's Revolt.

Pedro, by the way, needs also to get rid of his half-brothers Tello Alfonso and . Sancho Alfonso.

Okay interesting, so let's say that Edward of Angouléme does not die of plague in 1371, and indeed does survive to become his father's heir in 1377, what things might the Black Prince have to deal with as King Edward IV, early on in his reign? Such as the Good Parliament and Alice Perrers?

Also, would Pedro still require foreign support to remain on the throne with Henry dead?
 
Furthermore, if Edward does not spend quite as much time as he did otl in Castille, and therefore does not catch the illness he did nor rack up the debt he did, does that mean a potential restart of the conflict with France could be avoided for a time?
 
Pedro, I bet, is going to need foreign support. He would keep his rivalry with Aragon going on, and France would not allow him to rule, to avoid having an English ally on his flank and needing the Castillian fleet to defeat the English one. So, sooner or later, Edward is going to be back or he will have to send someone to Spain.

If Edward is not ill, France is going to think twice about attacking, that's for sure, but perhaps not for too long.
 
Pedro, I bet, is going to need foreign support. He would keep his rivalry with Aragon going on, and France would not allow him to rule, to avoid having an English ally on his flank and needing the Castillian fleet to defeat the English one. So, sooner or later, Edward is going to be back or he will have to send someone to Spain.

If Edward is not ill, France is going to think twice about attacking, that's for sure, but perhaps not for too long.


Okay interesting, how long do you think that might be going on for? Say within the end of his war with Henry he has his other siblings dealt with, could Edward either leave Gaunt there, or perhaps send Lionel Duke of Clarence, if the man does not die?
 
Let's make a recap.

Pedro defeats and kills his bastard brother Enrique. Only defeating him doesn't help him. He also MUST fulfill his promises to the Black Prince to keep him at his side. Otherwise, he's going to loose the war and his life, as IOTL, because France is going to help Enrique de Trastamara to go back to fight. And this time, Pedro would loose.

He also need to have killed in the battle or in the aftermath the two brothers of Enrique, or France is going to repeat the trick again.

So, let's suppose that Pedro pays his debts with Edward, who can return to England not broken and without having to heavily tax Aquitaine. He returns in better health and England has a powerful ally in Castille, which is a pain in the arse for France. The Anglo-Castillian fleet simply rule the sea and France is royaly f***.

How long he would go on? Perhaps, after too many wars, he would settle for a while. As long as he has the English on his side, France is not going to attack him. IOTL Enrique only returned with an army to Castille after Edward returned to Aquitaine after Pedro's didn't fulfill his promises. If keeps his word, Edward keeps supporting him and France has a lot of reasons to be quiet. Pedro must be remain calm and using his brain, not his balls. And that was not easy for him...

If France tries to send one of the brothers of Enrique to the fight, things can become nasty, if the English are not capable of sending any help, something that I dobut. So...

If the French grow balls (only if the Black Prince is not around or unable or unwilling to return to Castille), they my try. But they need a pretender. The question is: who?

-Tello de Castilla run away after Najera. He was too umpredictable, perhaps not too trustworthy.
-Sancho Alfonso de Castilla, unmarried and without heir. A nice political toy, one would guess.
 
Did Pedro ever intended to pay Edward what he promised? BTW, could the Castilian coffers afford to lose this money?
 
Let's make a recap.

Pedro defeats and kills his bastard brother Enrique. Only defeating him doesn't help him. He also MUST fulfill his promises to the Black Prince to keep him at his side. Otherwise, he's going to loose the war and his life, as IOTL, because France is going to help Enrique de Trastamara to go back to fight. And this time, Pedro would loose.

He also need to have killed in the battle or in the aftermath the two brothers of Enrique, or France is going to repeat the trick again.

So, let's suppose that Pedro pays his debts with Edward, who can return to England not broken and without having to heavily tax Aquitaine. He returns in better health and England has a powerful ally in Castille, which is a pain in the arse for France. The Anglo-Castillian fleet simply rule the sea and France is royaly f***.

How long he would go on? Perhaps, after too many wars, he would settle for a while. As long as he has the English on his side, France is not going to attack him. IOTL Enrique only returned with an army to Castille after Edward returned to Aquitaine after Pedro's didn't fulfill his promises. If keeps his word, Edward keeps supporting him and France has a lot of reasons to be quiet. Pedro must be remain calm and using his brain, not his balls. And that was not easy for him...

If France tries to send one of the brothers of Enrique to the fight, things can become nasty, if the English are not capable of sending any help, something that I dobut. So...

If the French grow balls (only if the Black Prince is not around or unable or unwilling to return to Castille), they my try. But they need a pretender. The question is: who?

-Tello de Castilla run away after Najera. He was too umpredictable, perhaps not too trustworthy.
-Sancho Alfonso de Castilla, unmarried and without heir. A nice political toy, one would guess.

Okay so let's say that Pedro manages to keep his promise to Edward, and through using loot from the battle and various other means manages to pay the man back for his support. Furthemore, let's say Enrique de Trastamara is slain during the battle as well. During the course of his second tenure as king he tries to hunt down Tello and Sancho, managing to kill Tello in a brawl outside a tavern, whilst Sancho flees to Aragon or France. The Black Prince is happy as he has his money, and is able to return to Aquitaine, and perhaps pay his soldiers. What happens then?

Did Pedro ever intended to pay Edward what he promised? BTW, could the Castilian coffers afford to lose this money?
 
Did Pedro ever intended to pay Edward what he promised? BTW, could the Castilian coffers afford to lose this money?

Two very interesting questions, indeed... Perhaps it's a combination of the two.

As he had the Castillian Jews on his side, he may have some "access" to loans or something... Enrique of Trastamara, when he became king, faced a similar situation...

Okay so let's say that Pedro manages to keep his promise to Edward, and through using loot from the battle and various other means manages to pay the man back for his support. Furthemore, let's say Enrique de Trastamara is slain during the battle as well. During the course of his second tenure as king he tries to hunt down Tello and Sancho, managing to kill Tello in a brawl outside a tavern, whilst Sancho flees to Aragon or France. The Black Prince is happy as he has his money, and is able to return to Aquitaine, and perhaps pay his soldiers. What happens then?

That if Pedro keeps his search for revenge, he's going to have another rebellion in 3..., 2...,

HE can try to do something similar to what Isabella I did later on: to curve the power of the big noble houses using the minor ones and the Jews to reduce their power. However, when he tried that in the 1350s, the noblemen rebelled. Perhapos if the war is bloody enough to decimate the big noble houses, Pedro can have

a) no true rival for his policies, which is good and bad at the same time.
b) money and lands to pay Edward
 
Two very interesting questions, indeed... Perhaps it's a combination of the two.

As he had the Castillian Jews on his side, he may have some "access" to loans or something... Enrique of Trastamara, when he became king, faced a similar situation...



That if Pedro keeps his search for revenge, he's going to have another rebellion in 3..., 2...,

HE can try to do something similar to what Isabella I did later on: to curve the power of the big noble houses using the minor ones and the Jews to reduce their power. However, when he tried that in the 1350s, the noblemen rebelled. Perhapos if the war is bloody enough to decimate the big noble houses, Pedro can have

a) no true rival for his policies, which is good and bad at the same time.
b) money and lands to pay Edward

Okay interesting, so let's say the war is bloody enough the big noble houses are lacking in senior leadership as it were, and thier heirs are needing to suck up to the king. What would Pedro's policies be?
 
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