TY.usertron2020 said:Well said.![]()
Just as an aside, it's the same flaw in Japan's WW2 thinking.
I should also say, I got the idea after listening to Doris Kearns Goodwin
TY.usertron2020 said:Well said.![]()
well i was looking at a map of Union & Confederate movements after the Confederate withdrawal from Gettysburg OTL & the AoP went in two directions south through Emmitsburg & Taneytown & I was just going as if the AoP withdrew from Gettysburg they'd go in two routes. I just picked II & III Corps just cus but it could be either way.What about Twelfth and Fifth Corps?
As for whether or not its enough . . .
That raises a question, which may influence what kind of help you get.
Are you looking to write a "Lee wins the war, would scenario Y work?" timeline, or are you looking to write a "Lee does Y instead of X, these are the consequences."?
Because I think the former is going to get a lot more rebuttal on the part of myself and usertron on what Lee would face in opposition, because there's no certain outcome and we're both (correct me if I'm wrong, usertron) Army of the Potomac fans.
The dates I had as I was messing with it was the "Little Gettysburg" occurs of July 1 ending that evening (1)
and on July 2 Meade withdraws (2).
The Emmitsburg battle occurs on July 3 (3)
Emmitsburg is only 12 miles from Gettysburg (4)
ending that night & the I, II, III, XI Corps remnants of the AoP reach Pipe Creek on July 4. (5)
After the Emmitsburg Battle I don't have the ANV moving yet
I'm waiting to hear if yall think that's enough of the AoP chewed up that Lee can win at Pipe Creek. (6)
What about Twelfth and Fifth Corps? (7)
As for whether or not its enough . . .
That raises a question, which may influence what kind of help you get.
Are you looking to write a "Lee wins the war, would scenario Y work?" timeline, or are you looking to write a "Lee does Y instead of X, these are the consequences."? (8)
Because I think the former is going to get a lot more rebuttal on the part of myself and usertron on what Lee would face in opposition, (9)
because there's no certain outcome and we're both (correct me if I'm wrong, usertron) Army of the Potomac fans. (10)
well i was looking at a map of Union & Confederate movements after the Confederate withdrawal from Gettysburg OTL & the AoP went in two directions south through Emmitsburg & Taneytown & I was just going as if the AoP withdrew from Gettysburg they'd go in two routes. I just picked II & III Corps just cus but it could be either way.
From what all yall have said you pretty much can't get a Confederate victory just with Lee winning a big campaign on northern soil alone & I'm planning on doing some work on stuff in the Western Theater to help get the Confederacy to win but right now I'm still going to focus on this area.
I was just seeing what yall thought on during this campaign, if Lee has already grinded up 4 Corps with much less losses himself, Would he attack the Union lines at Pipe Creek & if he did Could he defeat them finally in a big battle win?
7) Yes, as I said about "see below" about other formations. There were just too damn many "Damn Yankees" for Lee to do whatever he wanted. Even with the holding of the heights of Gettysburg, it doesn't allow him the ability to just blitzkrieg forward without resistance against an enemy with both superior numbers (growing all the time so much faster than Lee's army at the point of engagement) and the interior lines. Meaning that as Meade retreats, his forces become even more numerous before the AoNV, while Lee's army either stays the same, or gets weaker by forced marching.
9) Well, it is a fact that certain TLs are going to draw more attention, particularly those that have a basis that reflect on contemporary issues. As to what opposition Lee would face, it all comes down to the strategic reality that the South, and Lee, were simply in over their heads militarily in terms of any invasion of the North. The further the CSA carries out such operations, the more the North is united, and the more they mobilize. There were considerable forces closing in during the Gettysburg Campaign that were never engaged simply because Lee retreated before they could arrive.
Much speculation has been made over minor issues in the campaign, such as "What if Pickett's two other brigades had been with him instead of Richmond?" Well, maybe he advances a hundred more yards, maybe not. But most definitely, with only the Home Guard and Invalid Corps left in the capital, there would have been nothing to stop the two understrength Union corps (IV and VII, IIRC) in Eastern Virginia from simply storming in and taking Richmond!![]()
10) Nothing is ever certain, but in looking at the past, hindsight at least is 20-20. And yes, I am a fan of the Army of the Potomac. I am also a fan of the Battle of Gettysburg, which is why I am not sanquine at the thought of a TL based on a non-OTL "Battle of Emmitsburg".