Let's say that the Democratic nominee Senator Barack Obama of Illinois' first two selections for vice president, Senators Joe Biden of Delaware and Evan Bayh of Indiana, turned down Obama's offer, viewing it as a demotion from their more powerful positions as senators. What if Obama selected the Governor of Virginia Tim Kaine as his vice presidential nominee? How do you think he'd do in the Vice Presidential Debates against Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan? What do you think he'd be remembered for as vice president from 2009-2017? Would that mean Hillary Clinton would select Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack (said to be her second choice) as her vice presidential nominee? If this at all is considered current politics, I ask that the thread be transferred to the Chat Forum.