Balkanized France

Corsica would be independent I guess. That was what Napoleon first wanted didn't he? I also think the French are the worst people in Western Europe so them feeling the same pain as us in the Balkans would be very nice.
 
How could a balkanized France be created after the French revolution? What would the nations be?

AFTER the revolution? Uhh...not easily... France isn't really in a position to "fall apart"; neither is it feasible for other countries to dismantle it.

Corsica would be independent I guess. That was what Napoleon first wanted didn't he?

Napoleon had a connection with Pasquale Paoli, the Corsican separatist, through his father but never was really committed to the idea, I believe. He was far more interested in his own career. At any rate, once he was sent to Paris, he essentially became Francisized and lost any enduring sympathy he ever had for Corsican independence.
 

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Germany wins one of the World Wars decisively and forcibly tears France apart to keep it down.
 
Germany wins one of the World Wars decisively and forcibly tears France apart to keep it down.

It would have to be similar to what happened to Germany IOTL. France looses WWI, goes radical and revanchist, provoke a WWII and is divided by the major powers for occupation and reconstruction.
However, unlike Germany I find it unlikely that France will be divided by two rival sides who once the occupation ends one will make sure it stays divided. As the USSR did with Eastern Germany.
 

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Decades of Darkness actually had Germany partition France into Medieval divisions.
 
It would have to be similar to what happened to Germany IOTL. France looses WWI, goes radical and revanchist, provoke a WWII and is divided by the major powers for occupation and reconstruction.
However, unlike Germany I find it unlikely that France will be divided by two rival sides who once the occupation ends one will make sure it stays divided. As the USSR did with Eastern Germany.

I don't think France would take on Germany after a CP victory, even a revanchist one.

I'm also not sure why Germany would need to divide France after a CP victory. France is gonna be pretty smashed regardless, and probably wouldn't be capable of challenging Germany in the near future.
 

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France can't take on any single one of the Great Powers except Italy and Austria after 1871 actually.

Whats more so is that they actually knew it.
 
Democritus said:
How could a balkanized France be created after the French revolution? What would the nations be?

That seems very hard to do... French nationalism was one of the strongest in Europe since either Philip II or Joan of Arc came around.
Besides, by the time of the Revolution, most of the provinces of France felt that they were French, with the exception of Corsica who had just recently been bought.

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Corsica would be independent I guess. That was what Napoleon first wanted didn't he? I also think the French are the worst people in Western Europe so them feeling the same pain as us in the Balkans would be very nice.

You know... This is kinda irrespectful and discriminatory. I'm French and pround of it, thus I feel insulted.
That the French have a lot of flaws in their attitude, I can admit. But we aren't the only ones, damn it! Germans, Dutch, Italians, Spanish, British, etc... Every people on earth has its qualities and its flaws. You can't just say that the French are the worst like that! What makes you think so?
Do not tell me you judge the French based on ONLY a certain number of people you met because I won't accept that. To me, that would be equivalent at saying that all muslims are bad because of Al Qaeda, which is stupid : a minority is not a whole.
 

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Corsica would be independent I guess. That was what Napoleon first wanted didn't he? I also think the French are the worst people in Western Europe so them feeling the same pain as us in the Balkans would be very nice.
That's just bizzare
 

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Corsica would be independent I guess. That was what Napoleon first wanted didn't he? I also think the French are the worst people in Western Europe so them feeling the same pain as us in the Balkans would be very nice.

You're kicked for a week for political trolling.
 
If you had a less organised/less successful revolution could you end up with republican and monarchist french successor states?
 
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If you had a less organised/less successful revolution could you end up with republican and monarchist french successor states?

That doesn't seem very likely to me. For one, a less organised/less successful revolution would be weaker and thus have greater problems against the coalitions of other European Monarchies.

Besides, be it the Republicans or th Monarchists, they would want to get rid of the other side as it would be nothing more than "rebel scum". A bloody civil war ending with one side winning is more likely than a divided France.
 
If you had a less organised/less successful revolution could you end up with republican and monarchist french successor states?

That would be interesting. French republic in Paris, Royal France in the South, some parts occupied by foreign powers and made into independent states (Britain in Brittany and Corsica, Spain controls northern Basque, Prussia and Austria reestablish Lorraine, Franche-Comte and Alsace into the HRE with the former two becoming independent duchies, Austrian Netherlands enlarged by Pays-du-Nord and later divided into Flandres and Wallonia, both of which encompass large parts of Northern France). A moderate-radical split with the republicans could lead to yet another partition.

On problem I see with this is that balkanizing France leaves a power vacuum in western Europe. Will the balance of powers survive the end of the great power of France?
 
There's a book entitled "Making Peasants into Frenchmen" or something like that about how weak national identity was in France up until sometime in the 19th Century.

What some possible "national divisions" in France?

I'm thinking the Basques and Occitans, for starters. No Albigensian Crusade could keep France divided north-south.

The Bretons as continental Welsh?
 
I suppose you could have the French Revolution still succeed, but the opposition be stronger, so a viable Vendee holding out for the royals, British in Brittany supporting it, Spain in Navarre, perhaps setting up their own rival royalist court...

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Well a Nazi victory in WWII leaves the country split up :eek:.

It'd take an earlier PoD than after the French Revolution to split up France meaningfully I think. Not that it couldn't happen, but it'd likely be conquest or the result of a war as opposed to France itself disintegrating. But I suppose, if Catalonia managed to somehow gain independence they might support Occitain separatists. A very weak royal Spain that loses the latter could also deal with Basque terrorists, who could gain control of French Basque Country in the case of a real breakdown in administrative/social order. Unfortunately, that'd require a fairly late time period since nationalism doesn't really come in as a huge factor for the Basque (and arguably other French minorities) until the mid-1800s.

Have an earlier PoD though and there's plenty of ways to do it.
 
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