Balkanized Brazil

Hi this is my first post in alternatehistory.com.
im writting a tl about an Argentina wank and i need to prevenge the invasion of the Banda Oriental, ¿which which will be the necesary POD
Depends on when you want your POD, but a easy way out it´s that the Portuguese Royal Family don't flee portugal for Brasil during the Napoleonic invasion, this way, the independentist and separatist forces that were in vogue in Brazil during this period don´t get obliterated by the courts transfer and you could see OTL Brazil divided in the lines of the Captanias Da Coroa, but @ByzantineCaesar or @John I of Brazil could give a better answer
 
Hi this is my first post in alternatehistory.com.
im writting a tl about an Argentina wank and i need to prevenge the invasion of the Banda Oriental, ¿which which will be the necesary POD

Brazil was balkanized from 1889 until 1930, the central government was more of a diplomatic force than a government, so much that some states were broken into oligarchs zone of control. When Brazil bought our first tanks in 1921, they were not proprierty of the brazilian army, they were proprierty of the state of São Paulo and more directly under the oligarchy rulling it.
 
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Brazil was balkanized from 1889 until 1930, the central government was more of a diplomatic force than a government, so much that some states were broken into oligarchs zone of control. When Brazil bought our first tanks in 1930, they were not proprierty of the brazilian army, they were proprierty of the state of São Paulo and more directly under the oligarchy rulling it.

That sounds kinda Sengoku Jidai now that I think about it

Now I want to read a tale of Brazilians Coroneis fighting it out to take over the country, while the man in Rio is just a puppet watching impotently. Decisive battles involving gang-sized forces fighting for small villages, a martial culture developing in the chaos, peixeiras becoming as prized as Samurai swords, Coroneis buying modern guns from Europe, protestant preachers bringing a new and strange religion that is persecuted, etc.
 
That sounds kinda Sengoku Jidai now that I think about it

Now I want to read a tale of Brazilians Coroneis fighting it out to take over the country, while the man in Rio is just a puppet watching impotently. Decisive battles involving gang-sized forces fighting for small villages, a martial culture developing in the chaos, peixeiras becoming as prized as Samurai swords, Coroneis buying modern guns from Europe, protestant preachers bringing a new and strange religion that is persecuted, etc.

That IS sengoku Jidai. The brazilian old republic was like Warlord era China or feudal japan. The oligarchs that took power in the 1889 coup devolved the country into a almost feudal situation, so much that they had their own militia (jagunços), we had bandits raiding cities like Lampião (Lampião raided, raped and looted cities in eight states), we had governors ruling without elections for decades and decades like Borges de Medeiros, we had states falling into civil war like the Rio Grandense civil war. When the 1930 revolution happened the situation was close to the Meiji restoration, because the combined civilians, low ranking officers, thinkers and innovative politicians from other states marched and took the capital and created a federal government.
 
That IS sengoku Jidai. The brazilian old republic was like Warlord era China or feudal japan. The oligarchs that took power in the 1889 coup devolved the country into a almost feudal situation, so much that they had their own militia (jagunços), we had bandits raiding cities like Lampião (Lampião raided, raped and looted cities in eight states), we had governors ruling without elections for decades and decades like Borges de Medeiros, we had states falling into civil war like the Rio Grandense civil war. When the 1930 revolution happened the situation was close to the Meiji restoration, because the combined civilians, low ranking officers, thinkers and innovative politicians from other states marched and took the capital and created a federal government.

Hmmm... now that you think about it, it kinda is.

Don't forget the whole Pinheiro Machado situation where we had pretty much two puppet presidents. Then Pinheiro Machado got murdered Caesar's style and everyone hated his guts so hard, the guy who shanked him got away with it scott free and nobody gave a fuck, because fuck Pinheiro Machado that is why and then everyone cheered. Oh yeah, and the Vaccine's Revolt. And the Navy's Revolt. And Canudos, Contestado... damn.

Wait a minute

Is this part of your "Getúlio Vargas was actually a p.cool guy who did nothing wrong" secret agenda?
 
Hi this is my first post in alternatehistory.com.
im writting a tl about an Argentina wank and i need to prevenge the invasion of the Banda Oriental, ¿which which will be the necesary POD
Sorry for answering so late and for the grammatical errors, but, as some people said, the royal family not coming to Brazil is the best POD for what you want, as it would have averted the annexation of Uruguay (it was the queen Carlota Joaquina who was responsible for this, as she thought she could inherited parts of Spanish America because of her Spanish heritage). If the royals are captured, portuguese América would be in a similar situation to the spanish colonies, with some differences, like the fact brazilian colonial government was a little more centralized in Rio de Janeiro. Maranhão and Grão-Pará were more loyal to Portugal and might keep being colonies (unless some lusophone Bolívar arives and tries to "liberate" them). Pernambuco would try to get independence in a early Pernambucan Revolution. Bahia could go either a more jacobin/Haitian route (the slave population of the province was massive), a more conservative independence or try to keep with Portugal (it tried in OTL). At South of it, there is a possibility a smaller Brazil could arrive as a state with Rio de Janeiro às the capital claiming to be the successor of the Vice-Reino in the same way Argentina claimed La Plata. I don't know if the southern region would become immediately independent , but it was a quite isolated region and could easily go on its own, falling in the argentinian influence.
 
I’ve read that shortly after declaring that he would stay in Brazil on January 9 1822 Pedro IV narrowly avoided being arrested and transported to Portugal by Pro portuguese garrison in Rio, and only his persuasion avoided that.

That seems a rather late POD that would remove him from the indépendance movement which would become more republican, and likely less united.
 
Hmmm... now that you think about it, it kinda is.

Don't forget the whole Pinheiro Machado situation where we had pretty much two puppet presidents. Then Pinheiro Machado got murdered Caesar's style and everyone hated his guts so hard, the guy who shanked him got away with it scott free and nobody gave a fuck, because fuck Pinheiro Machado that is why and then everyone cheered. Oh yeah, and the Vaccine's Revolt. And the Navy's Revolt. And Canudos, Contestado... damn.

Wait a minute

Is this part of your "Getúlio Vargas was actually a p.cool guy who did nothing wrong" secret agenda?

It is not a agenda, I defend him for the good things he did and attack the bad things he did. If you take look at the thread about Huey Long here on post 1900 for example you can see me being the only one attacking Huey Long, at the same time I supported him.

Now, apart from Pinheiro Machado situations, we had other absurds like for example every single president on the old republic (reminding that Marshall Deodoro and Marshall Floriano were dictators, Floriano alone killed more than the military dictator and the New State combined) were appointed, not elected. It was not just a case of electoral fraud since there was a orgam in cities and state governments called "Comissão eleitoral" that approved the candidates before the election and later choosed who won the election, there was also the "degola" (butchery) that it was a process of removing certain candidates who got elected and replacing them with the allies of the current elected politicians. No president was elected until 1934, and the election of Vargas in 1934 was indirect. The first president to be democratically elected in Brazil was Eurico Gaspar Dutra in 1945.

this bring me one of my favorite memes:
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Hmmm... now that you think about it, it kinda is.

Don't forget the whole Pinheiro Machado situation where we had pretty much two puppet presidents. Then Pinheiro Machado got murdered Caesar's style and everyone hated his guts so hard, the guy who shanked him got away with it scott free and nobody gave a fuck, because fuck Pinheiro Machado that is why and then everyone cheered. Oh yeah, and the Vaccine's Revolt. And the Navy's Revolt. And Canudos, Contestado... damn.

Wait a minute

Is this part of your "Getúlio Vargas was actually a p.cool guy who did nothing wrong" secret agenda?

What about we radicalize this brazillian Sengoku Jidai?
 
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