Babylonians invade Greece

ar-pharazon

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So if the Babylonians can hold off the Persians and Medes can they invade Greece and eastern Anatolia?

Could we see the Babylonians gaining ground in Europe?

Is this possible?
 

Kaze

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They might have some problems with Sparta - even if their State are not on the war march, they can and did send mercenaries to fight in most of the wars in Ancient Greece (it was good for training and the money coming into Sparta was not bad either).
 

ar-pharazon

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They might have some problems with Sparta - even if their State are not on the war march, they can and did send mercenaries to fight in most of the wars in Ancient Greece (it was good for training and the money coming into Sparta was not bad either).
I'm guessing they invade in the 6-5th centuries BC and the Greek city states including Sparta were not as strong as they would be in a 100 years time.
 
I'm making the assumption they conquer most of Anatolia first.

But what of the Lydians, and Croesus' kingdom beating them back? Or the Greeks does it again, and kick the shit out of the Babylonians as they did in OTL with Persia? Or a Neo-Babylonian Empire that goes eastward, or more set borders?

I think the issue here is without Persia, without the Achaemenid Empire we know,everything we know of future events is erase. Too much handwaving and so on.
 
Not significantly better - and they don't have anything like as good cavalry. If they make it to Greece then the army will look like a Persian one anyway with all the subject nation forces. Or it would be too small to hold the empire together.

Greeks would still have the benchmark for close order infantry, even in 600 BCE
 
My understanding is that the Babylonian Empire in this period is more like the Assyrian than the Persian in that they were in a neat constant state of suppressing rebellions. It seems like the Babylonians were no where near as capable at effectively governing subject territories as the Persians were. Not to mention they don’t have the resources of the Persians. All that makes me think they would struggle to defeat Lydia in the first place. Setting that aside, they may well have a harder time in Greece than the Persians because they won’t be as effective at convincing Greek cities to join their side. Consequently, any Babylonian invasion may be faced with a more united Greece than that which faced the Persians.
 
I would be surprised if the Babylonians could defeat Lydia, Cyrus's total victory was quite unexpected. I'm also not sure why the Babylonians would want to invade Greece. As mentioned above, they'll be dealing with rebellions everywhere, including in the Ionian Greek cities, and they're just far less equipped to deal with it than the Persians were.
 
Greece at the time of Babylon... were they anything like the classic Greeks of Herodotus' time, with hoplites and all that? Or are they a lot less advanced in warfare?
Well the "Babylon" we are talking about is not the Classical Babylon of Hammurabi but the Assyrian successor state of Nebuchadnezzar - so we are talking about 550 BCE. By which time the hoplite and the phalanx were well established as was the trireme and Greeks had been seeding colonies all over the Mediterranean
 
My understanding is that the Babylonian Empire in this period is more like the Assyrian than the Persian in that they were in a neat constant state of suppressing rebellions.
"Woah, dudes, this is so neat, look at all those rebellions!"

Jokes aside, the Neo-Babylonians will have to invent a system of satrapies and religious/cultural autonomy to manage their newfound empire, like the Achaemenids did IOTL. Whether or not they were willing to do that, i ask people with proper knowlege on the time period...
 
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