Azania

WI the early '90s process of turning South Africa into an egalitarian state went bad, very bad, and as a result most of the country's white population fled overseas, either willingly or at gun-point? There are historical precedents to such a situation (Algeria is the analogue, but many other examples show how far ethnic relocation can go). So what next? Consider that the new Republic of Azania has just lost its entire state apparatus, intelligentsia, and cash reserves.
 
VoCSe said:
WI the early '90s process of turning South Africa into an egalitarian state went bad, very bad, and as a result most of the country's white population fled overseas, either willingly or at gun-point? There are historical precedents to such a situation (Algeria is the analogue, but many other examples show how far ethnic relocation can go). So what next? Consider that the new Republic of Azania has just lost its entire state apparatus, intelligentsia, and cash reserves.
We could have wound up with a lot of Anglo, Boer, Colored, and Indian immigrants in that case. What would it be like if half the Mexican restaurants in America were replaced by South African ones? Lots of places that served Antelope and Buffalo steaks? What is South African cuisine like?
 
Don't forget, there are a lot of white South Africans... You'd see alot of rebellion against this, and probably declaration of independent "boerstaats" and ethnic cleansing (maybe racial cleansing would be a better word) in areas controlled by each side... Sounds pretty bad to me.
 

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The Boer's wouldn't have gone in peace. They ARE native Africans (been there for a couple of centuries) and most of them are fairly well armed.

In the end it could have been Custer writ very large, but it is more likely that at least part of the 1st world gets drawn in trying to staunch the blood flow (Couple of Marine MAU's? Royal Marines?) and things REALLY get nasty at that point.

South Africa is way to strategicly important to let it become Somilia south.
 
Even if all the whites were kicked out (a dubious prospect at best), there wouldn't be peace in SA. The black population there is hardly monolithic... there are plenty of tribal animosities there... Zulus vs. about everyone else, etc... you'd still have a Somalia there...
 
The problem with a Boer state or another white-only state would be that the whites are nowhere in SA an ethnic majority.
 
This is happening in the 'stans. The urban areas were Slavic and they've mostly gone home. The local ethnic group dominated governments were actually asking the lower level slavic people to stick around, because they were the doctors and engineers.
 
Max Sinister said:
The problem with a Boer state or another white-only state would be that the whites are nowhere in SA an ethnic majority.

IIRC in the seventies, the thinking was that if there was racial war in S. Africa, the Afrikaners would withdraw to the Cape and hold it against all comers i.e. the original boundaries of Dutch South Africa, South-West of the Great Fish River, which historically where the first Dutch voortrekkers met the vanguard of the first migrating Black tribes (the original inhabitants of the cape were neither White nor Black- they were the KhoiSan who got beaten up by both the other races).

Basically they'd become an Israel analogue surrounded by fighting black nations.

It would be chaos.
 
Damn, and I was expecting an Afrikaner flight.

Just why did the pieds noirs leave Algeria instead of remaining and occupying the cities, anyway?
 
VoCSe said:
Damn, and I was expecting an Afrikaner flight.

A lot of them didn't WANT to flee. They saw South Africa as their homeland and in certain territories (like the Cape), they'd been there longer than the Black population (this is, of course, not true with regard to Natal). In fact this is one of the greviances they had against the S. African British whom they saw as potential "deserters" with the option of fleeing back to Britian.

Once again I'd like to advise everyone who's interested in S. African AH to read James Michener's The Covenant. Not only is it a very good historical novel, it also functions as a well-researched popular history text and in it's last chapters gives some very interesting overviews from both Black and White points of view of the perception of the Apartheid policy in the late '70's and early '80's. Michener did, in fact, go to South Africa and talked to leaders both in the Black and White communities to gain current information on this*. It's very insightful and an eye-opener to those of us who have only seen apartheid as a part of history.

It's earlier chapters are each concerned with various aspects of South African history ranging from the VOC's first settlement at Kaapstad to Shaka and his wars to unite the black tribes of Natal to the Boer War. They are just as detailed as the ones concerning apartheid.

Here's a link to The Covenant on Amazon where you can look at other Michener books each of which provide an excellent historical overview of the region they're concerned with

*The book was banned for a time in South Africa during the '80's because of it's presentation of Black Resistance points of view.
 
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