Axis Victory; fate of the rump Soviet Union?

So, let's assume a typical, generic Axis victory scenario, where Germany is able to hold on to territories up to the A-A line. How this happens doesn't matter. In many of these scenarios, the USSR collapses, one way or another. However, how plausible is that?

On one hand, the Soviet Union in such a scenario will be completely devastated, having lost the vast majority of its industry and population, its army devastated and having to fight a constant low-intensity war in the west. However, Stalin had managed to effectively destroy all internal opposition to his regime, and most were loyal to him(or were afraid to not be). Would this be enough to lead to a collapse of the USSR in the east? If so, what entities could arise from that? If a collapse would not happen, what would the long-term future of the country be?
 
Nearly 90% of the USSR's oil came from west of the A-A Line. Germany would also control the majority of Soviet agricultural lands. Could the USSR survive these losses?
 
Given that this is “based on the moon launched from the hollow earth” territory this is more a question of soviet discipline in extremis. I’d point at the continued control in Odessa, Leningrad and Stalingrad during siege. The rump Soviet Union would be in no sense pleasant, but it would continue.

Also you might want to retitle the thread as it is inviting potential discussion on the short fate of most soviet citizens after higher priority populations have been processed.
 
I think that depends on how Japan is doing in your timeline.
Why would that be important? The only difference it would make is if Japan wins and starts meddling in the Far East.

Also you might want to retitle the thread as it is inviting potential discussion on the short fate of most soviet citizens after higher priority populations have been processed.
I will edit the title to be more fitting.
 
So, let's assume a typical, generic Axis victory scenario, where Germany is able to hold on to territories up to the A-A line. How this happens doesn't matter. In many of these scenarios, the USSR collapses, one way or another. However, how plausible is that?

On one hand, the Soviet Union in such a scenario will be completely devastated, having lost the vast majority of its industry and population, its army devastated and having to fight a constant low-intensity war in the west. However, Stalin had managed to effectively destroy all internal opposition to his regime, and most were loyal to him(or were afraid to not be). Would this be enough to lead to a collapse of the USSR in the east? If so, what entities could arise from that? If a collapse would not happen, what would the long-term future of the country be?

Forget Stalin, about the only good thing coming out of TTL is he is almost certainly dead. I don't think Stalin, or anyone else , could survive this.
 
Forget Stalin, about the only good thing coming out of TTL is he is almost certainly dead. I don't think Stalin, or anyone else , could survive this.
I don't think he would necessarily die (although a heart attack is not out of the question). His death would be a massive hit to the rump USSR, though.
 
I don't think he would necessarily die (although a heart attack is not out of the question). His death would be a massive hit to the rump USSR, though.

I think someone would take a swing at him. The temptation to scapegoat him for the horrible catastrophe would be entirely too strong. Now their success, that's an entirely different matter.
 
Now, if the USSR collapsed, what factions could arise in it? I imagine the Central Asian SSRs might quickly bail out, but I don't think there are any concrete non-communist factions in the Union that would have the ability to participate. I think it's more likely for government splinters to appear.
 
Now, if the USSR collapsed, what factions could arise in it? I imagine the Central Asian SSRs might quickly bail out, but I don't think there are any concrete non-communist factions in the Union that would have the ability to participate. I think it's more likely for government splinters to appear.

On the contrary, I would think that Communism would look weak. It failed to protect the Russian People after all. I think there would be a ton of revolutionaries out there, all with different ideas about what the "New Russia" should be.

I wouldn't rule out even a theocratic government that would blame the disaster on "Godless Communism" and the whole thing was the result of the "Russian people turning their back on God".
 

JSchafer

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If soviets manage to evacuate people to their new lands life would be unpleasant but not horrible. Siberia is extremely rich and only lack of population is keeping it unexploited. They could trade for food
 
1940s Siberia is basically a bunch of trees. The oil there isn't even exploitable with 1940's technology. There isn't enough gold there to support a population of over 100 million.
 
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