Axis South America in WWII

Hi guys I'm thinking of maybe making a TL where most of South America goes Fascist and joins the Axis sometime in the 1930s. My vague idea for a POD will be Mussolini using his Italy as an example to the rest of the world what a good idea Fascism is. If they played the cards right I think they can easily get Argentina, Brazil, Chile (already the major powers on that continent) along with Bolivia, etc. Obviously something like Anschluss might not happen, but what effect will this have in WWII? Can this potential power reach the Panama Canal? Mexico? How will this effect the United States?

Any comments are welcomed!:)
 
The USA joins the war earlier. Most of South America is completely humiliated. The USA marches to Europe and Japan to help its new allies. War ends earlier.
 
This thread touched on it a bit: https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=369126

I think the outcome is basically that the US Western Hemisphere Security Zone extends far enough south and east to allow the US to track and, if necessary, interdict German-S.A. shipping. Since the US is the major economic partner of South America, a lot of political and economic pressure will be brought to bear on any pro-Axis nation. I think the US would be perfectly happy with a bunch of economically friendly Franco-esque SA countries. If anyone is dumb enough to try for an actual "interfere with US/UK efforts" type of alliance the US either cites the Monroe Doctrine or the German DOW (depending on the date) and lets the government(s) concerned know that a forceful option is definitely on the table. If that doesn't work, it comes off the table rather quickly, I'd think.
 
Even in spite of the isolationist trends in the USA in the 30's, had any South American countries joined the Axis there would have been a severe response. Isolationists saw the entire western hemisphere as a US sphere, it wasn't just "we don't care one inch beyond our borders". Even before the war there only so far the US would be willing to let a South American country go in being pro-Axis, even less after the US entered the war. Any country that entered the war formally would be screwed - the Germans could not provide any meaningful help (maybe a few U-boats stationed there and token Luftwaffe units), and not only would the US stomp the country but some of its neighbors would be happy to join in and nip off choice bits of territory in a post war settlement.
 
Perhaps I need to rephrase my OP.

What I meant was what if some advisors (military and domestic) from the axis powers had visited South American countries in the 1930s, training new, modern armies, reforming their goverment into Fascist states, and giving them expansionist views with perhaps a "stab in the back" analogy by Germany about how the rich U.S. abandoned them into poverty, corruption, and civil wars for their own economy. And in 1940, with massive axis success, they luanch their own blitz across South America, crushing all oppssiton and basically uniting South America under into one grotesque Fasicst state? Now of course there will be distinct cultural differences, and perhaps there will be cracks for the allies to exploit, but how will this effect WWII?

Is this even plausible or am I in ASB by now?
 

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Perhaps I need to rephrase my OP.

What I meant was what if some advisors (military and domestic) from the axis powers had visited South American countries in the 1930s, training new, modern armies, reforming their goverment into Fascist states, and giving them expansionist views with perhaps a "stab in the back" analogy by Germany about how the rich U.S. abandoned them into poverty, corruption, and civil wars for their own economy. And in 1940, with massive axis success, they luanch their own blitz across South America, crushing all oppssiton and basically uniting South America under into one grotesque Fasicst state? Now of course there will be distinct cultural differences, and perhaps there will be cracks for the allies to exploit, but how will this effect WWII?

Is this even plausible or am I in ASB by now?

Pretty ASB, uniting South America into one super Reich is not possible barring one nation conquering all the others and forcibly subjugating them.
 
The USA joins the war earlier. Most of South America is completely humiliated. The USA marches to Europe and Japan to help its new allies. War ends earlier.

Pretty much. The US ends trade with the South American countries that join the Axis. A blockade is enforced and their economies start to collapse. The US on entering the war invades these nations and pretty much in short order stomps them into the ground as not one has a "real" military to stop that happening, not to mention the Axis can't supply anything to them.
 
Perhaps I need to rephrase my OP.

What I meant was what if some advisors (military and domestic) from the axis powers had visited South American countries in the 1930s, training new, modern armies, reforming their goverment into Fascist states, and giving them expansionist views with perhaps a "stab in the back" analogy by Germany about how the rich U.S. abandoned them into poverty, corruption, and civil wars for their own economy. And in 1940, with massive axis success, they luanch their own blitz across South America, crushing all oppssiton and basically uniting South America under into one grotesque Fasicst state? Now of course there will be distinct cultural differences, and perhaps there will be cracks for the allies to exploit, but how will this effect WWII?

Is this even plausible or am I in ASB by now?

ASB territory. Not one South American nation in the late 30's had a military that was anywhere near first rate. Most had a collection of iffy units equipped with obsolescent to obsolete equipment, lacked motorization, lacked artillery and other heavy weapons, had no air forces, and had small obsolete navies.

Italy and Germany would have had to supply masses of equipment from small arms to tanks and artillery, along with motor vehicles to even begin to build a worthwhile military out of any nation in South America.
The US by way of example supplied considerable equipment to many Central and South American countries and of those Brazil and Mexico managed to send a few units overseas in 1944 after years of training and organization. That's how far down they were in terms of starting conditions.
 
And even if you can get some sort of continent wide "Nazi Spring" to have pretty much everyone in South America go Axis-friendly with little or no military coercion, the US is simply going to say, "The unfriendly friend of our enemy is going to be our friend-if he knows what's good for him. Right?"

Every SA government knows that the US has been and will be landing troops whenever we feel the situation warrants it.
 
And even if you can get some sort of continent wide "Nazi Spring" to have pretty much everyone in South America go Axis-friendly with little or no military coercion, the US is simply going to say, "The unfriendly friend of our enemy is going to be our friend-if he knows what's good for him. Right?"

Every SA government knows that the US has been and will be landing troops whenever we feel the situation warrants it.

That's pretty much just what the US did in Argentina's case as that nation was very reluctant to enter the war on the Allied side...
 
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