Axis North America

In this scenario the Axis win WW2 because Vichy France in this scenario joined the Axis. This scenario of an Axis North America starts with Vichy France taking over Quebec and Maine, Japan takes over Alaska and Hawaii, and Nazi Germany taking over the Midwest. How do you think a scenario like that would occur?
 
In this scenario the Axis win WW2 because Vichy France in this scenario joined the Axis. This scenario of an Axis North America starts with Vichy France taking over Quebec and Maine, Japan takes over Alaska and Hawaii, and Nazi Germany taking over the Midwest. How do you think a scenario like that would occur?

I realize your rather new to the site so I'll let you in on the fact that this scenario is completely ASB, even with Vichy France the Axis had no ability to occupy territory in North America.
 
In this scenario the Axis win WW2 because Vichy France in this scenario joined the Axis. This scenario of an Axis North America starts with Vichy France taking over Quebec and Maine, Japan takes over Alaska and Hawaii, and Nazi Germany taking over the Midwest. How do you think a scenario like that would occur?

>get teeth kicked in by Germany
>have some generals and people revolt
>still make all the difference in winning Sealion and conquering the US

Napoleon arisen from the grave couldn't do so well.
 
The Nordic Gods come from the Valhalla to help the Nazis and cross the Atlantic. Because who needs logistics and aero-naval superiority when you have the power of Mjolnir in your side?
 
This scenario of an Axis North America starts with Vichy France taking over Quebec and Maine

All political connections between Quebec and France ended with the Conquest in 1759. So, it isn't as if Vichy would have any formal power to direct Quebec over to the Axis.

I suppose they could take it over militarily, but, isolationist sentiment in Quebec notwithstanding, we're still talking about a piece of real-estate deep within Allied territory on all sides. Pretty unlikely that Vichy would be able to just gran that like an overripe fruit.
 
Anglo-Canadian politicians have long tried to use a connection to France to motivate the not particularly Imperial-minded Québecquois. Not only does it not work, it backfires- when it is considered at all, there is some residual resentment.

France didn't really put up a vigorous defence of Nouvelle France. Montcalm was a vintner who didn't even have much interest in governing in the first place.

That notwithstanding, French high- society tended to look down on the rough trappers and canoeists that made up a large proportion of the Québecquois population.
 
A couple of months ago I posted a thread on a similar topic, stacking a lot more in Germany's favour (including the total collapse of the USSR and breakup/disappearance of the RN, and keeping Japan neutral so that the US wouldn't have ten years to build up). We still couldn't find a way to get close to an invasion of the USA.

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/ahc-nazi-invasion-of-the-usa-by-1950.449840/

Vichy France alone couldn't do anything to help other than give a few ships to Hitler.

The solution to this question lies in defeating the USN, including its ability to produce an insane amount of new ships, and then getting a Barbarossa-sized force across the Atlantic (and then supplying it)*. At a minimum. How to do that? Apart from a lot of nukes, I've got no idea. My twenty pages' worth of ideas weren't good enough.

*Compare D-Day, which was about 8 divisions, and Downfall, which was around 15, to Barbarossa's 180. That's a lot of ships.

- BNC
 
Gurps AE suggests this:

FDR is assassinated in 1933, Garner proves to be incompetent, Lindbergh elected in 1936 and doesn't help the WAllies, let alone the Soviets, Wallace narrowly defeats him in 1940, but is even less competent, 1944 Lindbergh wins and Pelley is his VP, then Lindbergh is assassinated too, Civil War breaks out in the US, the nazis ship some dozen division under Model to make sure Pelley wins. Most plausible scenario I found yet.
 
Anglo-Canadian politicians have long tried to use a connection to France to motivate the not particularly Imperial-minded Québecquois. Not only does it not work, it backfires

That sort of thinking tends to infect other sectors of anglo-Canadian life as well. Right before the 2011 election, with the Orange Wave taking shape, the Globe And Mail ran a political cartoon portraying Jack Layton as a nightclub emcee, leading a bunch of Parisian can-can dancers, supposedly symbolizing Quebec.
 
Supposing this is coming from an alt-TL posing a what-if, we tend to preface the title with Double-Blind What-If, or DBWI.

Supposing this is from our TL then Vichy France needs to be seriously beefed up before its takeover. And then we're talking about necessary changes in the US like near-total disarmament or a vastly worse Spanish flu that makes the country vastly more isolationist.
 
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