Axis Middle East (Ottoman Empire in the Axis) - What Happens?

I'm doing a timeline where the Ottoman Empire survives until WW2 (long story, it finds oil). I was wondering what the effects of this empire joining the Axis would be.
For starters, the OE would have lots of oil - what would happen to Operation Barbarossa? If an invasion went ahead anyway, there would be two fronts on Russia (albeit the Caucasus Mountains would be a challenge).
Secondly, what about the war in Africa? What would change here?
And thirdly, there would be the question of Iran, which was Axis-friendly.
Here's a map from the tl;
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Of course, the Ottoman control around Arabia is still iffy. This is after the invasion of Poland.
 
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So you have an Ottoman Empire that still retains control of Greece, Bulgaria, and Albania. Would you mind explaining the POD?
 
The Greek war of independence fails, and the Turks actually stamp out corruption et al.

(After that, they also adopt a more tolerant stance to those in their empire. Basically, massive reforms.
Eventually there is an agricultural revolution followed by an industrial one - they focus especially on the Balkans. The Russian war still happens and the Ottomans still lose, but not by as much. Romania and Serbia become independent. The Great War still happens, but the Ottomans stay neutral. Oil is discovered, profit is made, then WW2 happens.)
Not sure if ASB, but I'm always write first, find explanations later.
 
Since this erases half of the Central Powers(Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire) Germany would be more likely to lose WWI.
 
With a failed Greek War of Independence, the POD is back in the 1820s-30s. With such a long term change, there is likely no WWII as we know it and no Axis. It completely changes the balance of power in Europe. If there is no sick man of Europe, then European history concerning the Balkans, Russia, Austria-Hungary, Libya, and Egypt all changes. You have a completely different set of great power relations. Certainly none of the prime movers of WWII will even be born if this meant to be a serious Alternate History.

A better suggestion would be to move the POD into late 1890s or early 20th century. That still gets you WWI, but you can make changes to keep the Sultan on the throne. Perhaps the Ottomans simply don't declare war. That would keep the Ottomans as is for 1939 including Syria, Palestine, the Hedjaz, Iraq, and some other territory which has oil. It would also keep Hitler, Churchill, and most other major leaders from the WWII era alive.

Your next step is to decide how the Soviet Union still comes into existence (obviously the war needs to be long enough so that there are the revolutions) and how the Ottomans react to it. Do they try to get involved after the Bolsheviks take power - perhaps by grabbing Azerbaijan and the Caucasus? If not, explain why not.

You will also need to take into consideration how the existence of the Ottomans affects British security interests and how they plan for that. It also means how the Ottoman's impact Mussolini's ambitions for a renewed Roman Empire in the Mediterranean - something that must come at the expense of the Ottomans.

There are a lot more changes you need to consider than simply airdropping the Ottoman Empire into 1939.
 
With a failed Greek War of Independence, the POD is back in the 1820s-30s. With such a long term change, there is likely no WWII as we know it and no Axis. It completely changes the balance of power in Europe. If there is no sick man of Europe, then European history concerning the Balkans, Russia, Austria-Hungary, Libya, and Egypt all changes. You have a completely different set of great power relations. Certainly none of the prime movers of WWII will even be born if this meant to be a serious Alternate History.

A better suggestion would be to move the POD into late 1890s or early 20th century. That still gets you WWI, but you can make changes to keep the Sultan on the throne. Perhaps the Ottomans simply don't declare war. That would keep the Ottomans as is for 1939 including Syria, Palestine, the Hedjaz, Iraq, and some other territory which has oil. It would also keep Hitler, Churchill, and most other major leaders from the WWII era alive.

Your next step is to decide how the Soviet Union still comes into existence (obviously the war needs to be long enough so that there are the revolutions) and how the Ottomans react to it. Do they try to get involved after the Bolsheviks take power - perhaps by grabbing Azerbaijan and the Caucasus? If not, explain why not.

You will also need to take into consideration how the existence of the Ottomans affects British security interests and how they plan for that. It also means how the Ottoman's impact Mussolini's ambitions for a renewed Roman Empire in the Mediterranean - something that must come at the expense of the Ottomans.

There are a lot more changes you need to consider than simply airdropping the Ottoman Empire into 1939.
Thanks for the feedback (and sorry for the late reply). I'll consider what you said. I heard that if the OE still existed, the Russian revolution would be prolonged or would fail (supply lines blocked). What effect would this have on Europe, or is it just not worth considering?
 
The butterflies for an Ottoman Empire that size remove WWI as we know it, and with WWI as we know it removed there will be no World War II.
 
Thanks for the feedback (and sorry for the late reply). I'll consider what you said. I heard that if the OE still existed, the Russian revolution would be prolonged or would fail (supply lines blocked). What effect would this have on Europe, or is it just not worth considering?

Well, the Russian Revolution might not even happen.

If you manage to have the Balkan Wars still happen, and the Italo-Turkish War still occur, you get an Ottoman Empire in 1914 the same as ours in OTL. This is your best bet if you want WWII to still occur. Have the Turks think better of entering the war, and they will not be carved up by the British, French, Greeks and Italians (the Italians were included in the original plans).

This way, the Ottomans can hang on through the depression - the problem is, in this scenario, with so many different religious backgrounds in the empire, you're still more likely to see an Ottoman revolution in this era than a prosperous empire. How that turns out is anyone's guess. Maybe it enacts reforms, but saving the economy during this time will be difficult.

If they survive and find oil, you have an Ottoman Empire who will greatly benefit from staying neutral and selling oil to everyone.
 
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