AVRO Jetliner produced?

What if AVRO Canada had built significant numbers of AVRO York transports towards the end of WW2? ehn they translated that airliner expertse into designing and building the AVRO Jetliner, short-haul airliner?
Would Jetliners have dominated the passenger trade between East Coast cities?
 
Well, Air Canada was a crown corporation at the time. In theory, the government could mandate that Air Canada buy the AVRO jetliner, and AVRO did try to sell the jetliner to Air Canada in OTL. However, the jetliner going into production might mean that Avro would have to stop development of the CF-100.
 
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Well, by the 1950s the Jetliner project was forced to be cancelled because of Avro Canada's commitments to the CF-100 Canuck and the Orenda Turbojet. However the project was almost restarted in 1953 once the Canuck entered full production. If the government of Canada granted Avro Canada a new facility to begin building production Jetliners, this could have saved the project and made Canada a competitor in the passenger jet market.

And considering how interested Howard Hughes was in the project in addition to the project's intended purposes, I do think that with deliveries to, say, TWA and Trans-Canada Air Lines (now Air Canada), the Jetliner could serve the Eastern Seaboard of Canada and the United States very well.
 
Producing York transports does not give you experience building transport aircraft that people want to buy. Building North Stars does. Avro built the Jetliner to a specification which called for engines that were not available, and hadn't even received their name yet. This was done as a Catch-22 so that TCA wouldn't be legally bound to buy any. They didn't want any, but were bound by the gummint to issue the specification.
 
If the government of Canada granted Avro Canada a new facility to begin building production Jetliners, this could have saved the project and made Canada a competitor in the passenger jet market.
Well that depends on how long it takes the government to make the decision, allocate funding, then obtain the new premises and equipment required, set it up and bring in and train the new workforce. You've got to find a reason for them to take a punt on what is at the time a completely untested and experimental idea.
 
Even if the AVRO jet airliner was produced, it wouldn't be long for the world in terms of service. That plane would have been quickly eclipsed by the technologically superior Sud-Aviation Caravelle by 1960, alas.
 
The Caravelle was powered by the engines Avro Canada couldn't get. The DC-9 eclipsed the Caravelle in 1965, and so on...
 
From what I recall the de Havilland Comet had mostly comparable characteristics except for taking slightly fewer passengers but having a higher speed and greater range, the only other major factor I can think of is take off and landing distances that IIRC the Jetliner might have been superior in since it was a consideration during the design phase. So you're going to have competition right from the off, at least until the Comet starts running into problems, and then the Caravelle and 707 come on to the scene.
 
The C.102 was never going to compete directly with the DH.106 or any transatlantic jetliner. She was a short/medium-haul type, similar to the 727/737, ideal for the likes of Bosyorkington hops, Dallas-Houston, SF-L.A., Tokyo area, SF-Reno, that like.

As for "forcing" TCA (later Air Canada) to buy anything, fat chance. Howe wanted the C.102 cancelled so Avro Canada could increase production of CF-100s for Korea--despite the fact the production wouldn't come on stream until the war was over...:mad:

TCA rejected the C.102 because Avro hadn't used the AJ.65 (Avon) engines, which weren't yet available to civilians.:rolleyes: Nor was anybody else likely to buy C.102s if the contracting airline (to wit, TCA) wouldn't...:rolleyes:

That said, had Avro been able to persuade Hughes to do so, he'd have had a world-beater: the C.102 was cheaper than any piston competitor (only US$500K a copy), faster, cheaper to operate (fuel, maintenance, & crew), & more profitable (almost double the trips/day, less crew, cheaper fuel & maintenance). Why the idiots in charge at TCA don't see this...:confused::confused::mad:
 
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