Austro serbian alliance holds and different world war 1

Tim turner the ottomans may be hostile to Austria but from what we saw during the Bosnian crisis in the otl they didn't care about bosnia and received from if I recall correctly 20 million dollars in krones in compensation and were much more focus on Bulgaria, besides Enver pasha was way more invested in a german ottoman alliance and did not cripple relations with Austria.
 
hi guys so i have enough time on my hands and instead of keeping you guys waiting until tomorrow i decided to put up part 3.


part 3: The fallout

The next day in the Principality of Montenegro's capital, Cetinje in his palace prince Nicholas, prince since 1860, is perturbed of the news he received of the failed assassination of king Alexander and his speech, ''damn it, why couldn't they kill him?'' he thought hoping a few days ago that Alexander would be dead and that Petar of Karaďordevič dynasty would take over and break its alliance with Austria-Hungary and side with Russia and Montenegro. ''All i wanted was that Austrian lapdog to be dead and petar would take over. Now Apis is dead and black hand is good as defunct so now I'm stuck with him'' He says despondently.

In Vienna it was a different attitude there, In schonbrunn palace there were sighs of relief and hopes that the alliance made in 1881 would hold, in his office Franz Joseph, kaiser of Austria-Hungary since 1848 was meeting Agenor Maria Gołuchowski, minister of foreign affairs since 1895, '' Any news from Belgrade?'' the kaiser asked, '' From what i received from our ambassador is that the black hand group, yes the ones who are stirring all the trouble in the southern part of Illyria, are being dissolved.'' Gołuchowski finished. ''Excellent'' Franz Joseph said looking back down at his papers ''How has Alexander responded to my telegram?'', ''We have received no response yet your majesty.'' Gołuchowski answered. ''Fine, it is imperative we keep Serbia in our camp because if the serbs leave we have no ally in the Balkans other than the Ottomans and they are on the brink of collapse, not to mention Serbia might start a revolt in Illyria and worst it will empower Russia.'' Franz Joseph reminded Gołuchowski ''I know your majesty, but the question with Bosnia will remain.'' Gołuchowski stated ''Don't remind me, Gołuchowski, if we don't tread carefully We'll open pandora's box Franz Joseph muttered then Gołuchowski said his farewells and left, but just as he was about leave a messager arrived bearing news '' I have received a telegram from the office of foreign affairs in Belgrade, it states that Alexander is willing to renegotiate the alliance.'' the messager finished Gołuchowski then spoke ''well mein kaiser i think we know how Alexander responded.''
 
Tim turner the ottomans may be hostile to Austria but from what we saw during the Bosnian crisis in the otl they didn't care about bosnia and received from if I recall correctly 20 million dollars in krones in compensation and were much more focus on Bulgaria, besides Enver pasha was way more invested in a german ottoman alliance and did not cripple relations with Austria.

The annexation of Bosnia did piss off the people in the Empire. So saying they did not care about it highly ridiculous. The Ottomans however could not risk a war with Austria-Hungary. Bulgaria declared indepence, Greece was still hostile. A war with Austria could have started an earlier Balkan War if the Ottomans started a war with Austria Hungary. Side note though, Serbia would very likely remain neutral in such case OTL. They might even try to cut a deal. But as I said, anyone calling for a war with Austria-Hungary will be commiting a political suicide. The money was easing the tension though, unlike the Erin and Agincourt being taken away.

Enver Pasha has power in 1913 after the death of Mahmud Sevket Pasha. So he is not really powerful in 1908 as he was in 1914.
 
thank you koprulu mustafa pasha for correcting me what i meant to say was, yes the ottomans were furious over the annexation but were more focus on bulgaria and the austrians were in control of bosnia since 1878 in the great eastern crisis and while yes there were indeed ottoman administrative changes to counter austrian influences in 1880 the austrians had kept up to five corps totalling up 153,000 of troops there and in 1908 where planning to build a railroad and then for recognition of the annexation from russia they agreed to remove troops from Pljevlja and sjenica. so really to the turks it was invevitablity of annexation and were more focus on keeping the possessions in bulgaria, and also thank you on the rise of power of enver pasha i will fix that part when we get the to the bosnian crisis:)
 
part 4: a royal wedding

The date is March 15, 1907 king Alexander is in his office listening to foreign minister, just a year in 1906 in effort to placate the liberals and the radicals he dismissed the senators and chancellors he installed in the skupstina (in 1903 before his attempted assassination he suspended the serbian constitution he created to dismissed the old senators and chancellors with his own people) and let the senate have more freedom. To appease the people he had to lift restrictions in press censorship. Now the only ones who weren't happy and were now breathing down his neck was: the army. Ever since his marriage to Draga Masin he alienated his supporters in the army who were angry because of who he married someone who was older then him, was just a lady in waiting, and the final straw was that she could not produce a heir, and the whole reason the assassination happened was rumours that Draga's brother was to succeed him (that was just a flimsy excuse from them because it was suppose to be confirmed that prince Mirko of montenegro would be succeedding and really they just wanted to replace Alexander with Petar.)

Now on his mind and his ministers was on who should he married suggestions were: princess Anastasia of montenegro, who was now recently divorced, to one of the russian princesses. One, the ambassador to Germany would suggest Princess Caroline Reuss of Greiz (POD she doesn't marry Wihelm Ernst of Weimar and does not die in 1905) at that moment everyone enter bitter arguements on why he shouldn't marry her, after a hour he order them to leave to think. Now he was in a bind if marries anyone from Russia or Montenegro he'll alienate his supporters and allies in Vienna or he marries Caroline Reuss he'll alienate or worst enrage nationalist in the army. It all had to come down to one thing: who would support serbia more in the balkans against the ottomans or against Bulgaria (serbo-bulgarian war in 1885 and how austria had to bail Serbia out) with and with that in mind Alexander called in his ministers to announce his decision.

In her home in Greiz, princess Caroline recieves the offer and at first is reluctant ( she barely escaped from marrying Whilhelm Ernst despite being forcefully told to marry him from kaiser Wilhelm ii and his wife kaiserin Augusta Victoria), but after two days she finally agreed with her saying ''Anything would be better than Wilhelm and Weimar.''
The two finally married on November 13, 1907. the reaction in the army was to put it mildly 'mixed' with the moderates and conservatives pleased that at least now there will be a legitimate heir and not a bastard, while in nationalists section it was nothing but absolute disgust and abhorrence with some calling her 'the german bitch' and others going to so far to plot a coup before being discovered and arrested. Now the question would be will Austria and Germany help Serbia in expansion.
 
Could part of Bosnia be given to Serbia ? OTL 1908 crisis and annexation by AH is probably butterflied away, but if an annexation is still going to happen then high costs of developing Bosnia and not getting too many Slavs in the empire would be an argument for giving the east part to Serbia.
 
Could part of Bosnia be given to Serbia ? OTL 1908 crisis and annexation by AH is probably butterflied away, but if an annexation is still going to happen then high costs of developing Bosnia and not getting too many Slavs in the empire would be an argument for giving the east part to Serbia.

that is the plan in part 5, but is a lot more complicated.
 
part 5: Crisis

It is October 8, 1908 in Istanbul and in the office of Grand Vizier Mahmud Shevket Pasha it is total pandemonium just 3 days ago Bulgaria just declare its independence and now Kaiser Franz Joseph of Austria-Hungary has now announce his intention to annex Bosnia and Herzegovina, ''what can we do?'' he mumble. He knew The Ottoman empire couldn't start a war,it had just came out of the young turk revolution and now was in confusion and worst it could lead to nother confrontation with russia, all the grand vizier could hope for is that the boycott against austria hungary would damage them (and while it did inflict a loss of $100,000,000 in kronen it wouldn't stop them.) After that the Ottomans would receive $2.2 million dollars in lira in compensation.

In Vienna the new minister of foreign affairs, Graf Alois Aehrenthal, was now busy trying to contain the fallout of the announcement, was now meeting with dr. and prime minister Milovan Milovanovic to discuss the fate of the Sanjak of Novi Pazar, ''Good day Hochgeboren'' Milovanovic greeted as he was shaking his hand , ''I wish it was better, doctor'' Aehrenthal answered ''now lets get straight to the details and I have to, hurry i have a meeting with the italian foreign minister.'' '' of course'' Milovanovic started ''It has come my and king Alexander's attention of Austrian intentions of the annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia would want the compensation of the Sanjak of Novi pazar.'' Milovanovic finished. Aehrenthal started '' I cannot guarante you that the sanjak will be handed over to serbia because in the treaty of Berlin-'' ''you mean the treaty you're currently breaking by fully annexing the region?'' Milovanvic interrupted. ''As i was saying'' Aehrenthal said calmly ''The treaty of Berlin stated that Austria has the right to station troops in the area.'' ''Yes, but it also stipulated that austria has only 'special administrative' rights nothing mentioning rights of annexation.'' Milovanovic finished. Aehrenthal was about to speak, when again interrupted ''Serbia is willing to accept Austrian control of northern Bosnia in returned Serbia wants its share in territory.'' ''How will Austria benefit from Serbia taking over the Sanjak?'' Aehrenthal questioned, '' Serbia will no longer meddle in the provinces of Illryia or agitate for war against austria.'' Milovanovic stated, ''That is still not a guarante of peace.'' Aehrenthal said unappeased '' Serbia must also guarante that she will not start a war in the balkans or ally with Russia.'' '' That is unacceptable, at least serbia will not join a war against austria by she must still able launch a war against the ottomans or Bulgaria.'' Milovanovic rebuke, '' very well'' Aehrenthal now pleased ''In return of Serbian neutrality and promises of no more advocations of violence, she will receive the Sanjak of Novi Pazar.'' Aehrenthal finished. ''Thank you, Hochgeboren.'' Milovanovic said shaking his hand and saying his farewells.

When news arrived in Belgrade of the negotiations success there were applause but there were still some dissatisfied with the agreement mostly because austria was still able to get some of bosnia. In the Kingdom of Italy, Russia, and Montenegro on the other hand it range from anger to absolute outrage, in Italy, they were completly snubbed of getting back its irredenta lands back and now were starting talkes with France. In Montenegro the attitude was bitterness, they considered the Sanjak theirs and now austria was now giving it all to serbia, who they now considered a puppet. In Russia, However it was a mix of outrage and humiliation first the treaty of berlin, which completely negated the gains in the Russo Turkish war of 1878 and Izvolsky's failure and the revelation of the Buchlau letters added insult to injure. From that day forword russia would never back down again.
 
Part 6: Italo-Turkish war and balkan turkish war

In 1912 after witnessing Ottoman inaction during both the Bosnian crisis and Bulgarian independence, the Kingdom of Italy wanting to expand her colonial empire,especially after the disaster at Adowa, deciding to taking advantage of Ottoman weakness Italy issued a ultimatum to the turks to hand over the Tripolitania vilayet. The Ottomans (with mediation of Austria Hungary) agreed to let Italy have control of Libya if it stayed under ottoman suzerainty. Italy refused and declared war on the 29 of September 1911.

The beginning of the war went well for Italy it quickly seized tripoli after a naval bombardment from the Regia marina with 1,500 soldiers. The success of the Italians was not because of their equipment or their navy it was more or less the fact that the Ottomans had no way of transporting troops to Libya. The British refused to let them through the suez canal and egypt and the ottoman navy was incapable of transporting troops especially with the Regia marina being on the hunt. After capturing tripoli they captured Derna, Tobruk, and Khoms but all three would prove difficult to capture especially Tobruk which was under the control of both mustafa and enver bey who would when the battle of tobruk before falling. After failing to seize benghazi the Italians would suffer their first and catastrophic defeat at Shar al shatt where Arab cavalry routed a contingent of 500 soldiers which the Italians would avenge disgustingly in the tripoli massacres.

By december however, the war settle into stalemate with Italy not making further advancements and now devolving in trench warfare with italy using airplanes for the first time in reconnaissance and airships for bombing but without much success. The real advantage the Italians had was in the Navy which would beat the turks at the battle of Beirut destroying 1 corvette and 1 torpedo boat, eliminating any opposition and cutting of any supplies and landing at the islands of rhodes. The war ended when the balkan league declared war on the Ottomans and taking advantage of this Italy pushed for favorable terms which were

  • Ottomans would withdraw all troops from Libya
  • Libya would have special status and a Naib and kadi
  • Before appointments Ottomans must consult with Italy
  • Ottomans would cover expenses of Neib and kadi
With that the treaty of lausanne was signed on the 18 of October 1912 just so the turks could another war.

Surprised on Italy was trouncing the Ottomans serbia and bulgaria made an agreement to drive the turks out of Europe and sent out invitations to both montenegro and greece. Montenegro refuse to join until Alexander releases the Sanjek of Novi pazar to montenegro while greece on the other hand would agreed hoping to not only to take Constantinople but to also create the Megali idea. With balkan league ready bulgaria declared war on the on the 8 of October 1912 and bore the brunt of the war during the advance to catalca, winning the battles of kirk kilissee, lule burgas, but it lossed a tremendous defeat at the first battle of catalca
Greece meanwhile kicked the turks out of ioannia and won at Himare, while the hellenic navy would defeat the ottoman navy at limnos and elli
Serbia after defeating the turks at kumanovo and monastir would join bulgaria and start the siege of adrianople, infuriating greece for starting without them leading to a dent in the league. After losing adrianople on March 13 and not wanting to lose Istanbul the Ottomans finally surrendered and signed the treaty of London on the 30 of may 1913.

Serbia in recognition of Bulgaria's service in the war agreed to divide southern Macedonia equally and bulgaria can have adrianople, greece on the the other had furious at the results not only did they stop at retaking Constantinople but they only got southern thrace.
Not only was greece bitter at bulgaria but also at serbia, and from that day forword greece vowed it will not only take Constantinople but all of Thrace and Macedonia.
 
How about the wider European constellation ? AH is, I presume, still allied with Germany, which has been heavily investing in the Ottoman Empire. I doubt whether a Serbia tied to AH would get a go-ahead in such an situation.
 
How about the wider European constellation ? AH is, I presume, still allied with Germany, which has been heavily investing in the Ottoman Empire. I doubt whether a Serbia tied to AH would get a go-ahead in such an situation.
Yes Austria Hungary is Allies with Germany and both did had resources in the Ottoman Empire, but both did not want to lose there ally Serbia in the balkans, and both were aware of the ottomans decline and did not want to intervene for what was a inevitability.
In part 5 it stated that Serbia can declare war on other Balkan countries, but only is they stay neutral in a war against Austria.
I hope that answers your question and part 7 is about to come out and it will finally deal with the weltkrieg and what started.
 
How about the wider European constellation ? AH is, I presume, still allied with Germany, which has been heavily investing in the Ottoman Empire. I doubt whether a Serbia tied to AH would get a go-ahead in such an situation.
IOTL Germany invested in Serbia as well (especially in its military). The Germans were not at all opposed to buttering both sides of their bread.
 
part 7: Das Weltkreig

Russia was now alone in the the Balkans, with the exception of Montenegro and possibly Greece, but the two major players in the Balkans: Serbia and Bulgaria were now either neutral or in the triple alliance sphere, both satisfied with there gains and Romania is ambiguous on who is their ally both Austria and Russia hold lands that are considered Romanian. The year is 1914 and in St. Petersburg Czar Nicholas shouts ''Damn that dotard Franz Joseph, he stopped our way to the Mediterranean!'' after that he organized his cabinet which not only included generals, foreign ministers, but also the mad monk Rasputin a man both feared and hated.

''Gentlemental, as you all know we are alone in the Balkans and after our humiliating defeat against Japan we need to expand our borders and we desperately need a port to the Mediterranean for quick rout to Asia, any suggestions?'' Nicholas proposed
General Alexander Samsonov answered''I Propose a war against Romania and we force them cede their ports to us.''
,but after he finished general Paul von Rennenkampf roared '' No you idiotic jackass against the turks'' and just as general Samsonov was about curse back at him he was interrupted by the Czar '' yes the turks they are to weak to resist us and since my cousin and Franz Joseph didn't care if their allies were beating them then they wouldn't mind if we declare war against them.''
At that moment general Aleksei Brusilov tried to reason '' But you majesty Germany and Austria have spent millions of dollars in resources in supporting-'' he was quickly booed down.

On June 28 Russia declared war on the Ottoman empire and just like Brusilov warned Germany and Austria issued a ultimatum to Russia to back down, but after its vow 1909 after the Bosnian crisis, to never backed down she refused and both Germany and Austria declared war on Russia. Soon France and Montenegro declared war on both Germany and Austria. Serbia in accordence in the agreement in 1908 declared neutrality so did both Italy and Bulgaria. As for all of Europe all hell just broke lose.
 
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part 8: schlieffen plan and Bergmann offensive

In first weeks of the war it was oddly peaceful because Russia didn't know to attack so it was decided the general Georgy Bergmann will attack the Ottomans and Samsonov and Rennenkampf would attack Ost Preußen.

In Vienna it agreed that a army 150,000 under Conrad von Hotzendorf would attack the kingdom of Montenegro, while svetozar Boroevic would protect Galicia from Russians.

In Berlin Helmuth von Moltke the younger would launch the ambition but flawed schlieffen plan to quickly knock out France and then focus on Russia.

In Paris, general Joseph Joffre would launch plan xvii to recover Alsace Lorraine.

On July 14 1914 the schlieffen offensive begins with invasion of belgium with the absolute condemnation of Great Britain, but is between a rock and a hard place because it was Russia who provoked this war but Germany is invading a neutral country. It doesn't long for its decision to made and declares war and soon the British expeditionary force lands in France, beginning the battle of the frontiers in German victory, Meanwhile in the Balkans the Austrian attack in Montenegro hits its first set back and is defeated at the battle of Mojkovac, but fails to stop them and soon the Austrians win the battle of Ratkita but after the battle of the Rata river it devolves into trench war while the kriegsmarine shells the coastal town of Bar much to the condemnation of the Entente.
Meanwhile in Galicia feldmarshal Boroevic is building defenses waiting for the inevitable Russian attack.

In Ost preußen Russian forces were advancing faster then German high command had anticipated sending general maximilian von prittwitz into a panic and retreating letting the Russians advance dangerously close to Konigsberg, however it was the catastrophic defeat at tannenburg which saw a outnumber force of 150,000 under Hindenburg and Ludendorf defeating a larger force of 250,000 under Rennenkampf and Samsonov the reason of this defeat was 1. Russian communications were laughably unprotected 2. rennenkampf unwillingness to help Samsonov which led to his defeat and suicide.

After the disaster Russian high command was hoping that it couldn't get worse but it did,

In the Caucasus mountains the Bergmann offensive begins in November 2 with Russian forces the border towards Koprukoy, the aim to capture the Eleskirt valley. By November 5 Bergmann had completed his objectives but in a show arrogance, expanded it and by the 6 heavy fighting between Russian and Ottoman forces. Any Russian advances were blocked or pushed back and Ottoman forces were now counterattacking on the 11 putting Russian flanks at risked of envelopedment sending the Russians on a retreat, it was the reinforcements of general przevalski that halted the Turkish advance and by the 17 fighting had petered out. Russian losses were 2,000 while Turkish losses were 1,000 this shooked Russian morale and Ottoman forces were now advancing in the Choruh valley.



 
hello to all ,sorry for failing to post anything yesterday i was feeling burned-out after work, but i'm to keep posting. can someone please help and post a map on this alternate Balkans and ww1 please and thank you.
 
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