Austro German Empire TL

Technically, you are right. Officially, the nation is called "The Austrian Empire of the German States", and after the 1905 re-establishment of the HRE, "The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nations"
It is called Austria-Germany to differentiate between the "German Empire" of 962-1806, which is more commonly called the Holy Roman Empire, and the OTL German Empire.
Remember, i wrote this 2 years ago, plausability mattered not to me. Franz Josef becomes the "good emperor"
of course, a much more plausable POD is the fall of napoleon in 1815. WI the Germans try to re-start the HRE,and does.


My vandox storyline is much better. its of a politician who gets elected Emperor, and basically becomes like a German Napoleon who never falls from power. The vandoxian HRE rules from 1790-2056, when it collapses.
 
I started a thread once for an Austrian United Germany ; here is a map I made for it.

A Little some thing.GIF
 
you should read my Vandox ATL. im making it into a book "Glory of the Empire" he pretty much unifes all of te German Princes(oratory) and reforms the Imperial constitution, giving te Emperor nearly absolute power. The HRE and Austira merge, and the Habsburgs become hereditary Imperial Chancellors.
Etc. Etc.
its on a another thread.
 
Hapsburg said:
1) Danzig is a free city, not necisarily "owned" by Prussia, just as Bremen and Hanover are free cities not necisarily owned by the "FRG" today.

Danzig is not a free city in 1866, unless you have changed history from before the officially stated PoD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gdansk

Wikipedia said:
In the first of the late 18th century Partitions of Poland (1772), German-speaking inhabitants of Gdańsk, fought fiercely to stay independent, while the majority of Polish Pomerania fell to the Kingdom of Prussia. Danzig was surrounded by the Prussian territories until 1793, when it was incorporated into the Prussian kingdom as part of the province of West Prussia.

Hapsburg said:
2) thats because italy deonst get involved in this one.

Well then, that should have been stated in the initial document, and explained. Italy certainly has plent of reason to declare war on Austria and try to gain Venezia and hopefully some other Italian territories as well. Why doesn't Italy join the war?

Hapsburg said:
3) like I said, if your friend is being jumped, you'd help him, no matter how quiet you are. esp. if Prussia sends telegrams to the us for help!

The US was an isolationist nation, and had no military alliance with Prussia. They had just finished fighting a devastating civil war a year before, and were still very busy with Reconstruction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction

Launching the nation into a major European war alters the basic principles of US foreign policy for the last 80 years, and makes even less sense under the circumstances you describe.

Hapsburg said:
4) As explained in the 1st post, Napoleon III's "last straw" is Prussia's seisure of neutral haseatic cities, and aggresive foreign policy towards France. Osterreich, however, makes peace with France and allies with them. A stronger ally is a stronger you.

Austria has been France's traditional enemy for the last 300+ years, I really do not see France suddenly reversing all of it's foreign policy and allying with Austria, then helping Austria achieve what the last 300+ years of French foreign policy always worked to prevent, total Austrian domination of the German lands. Also, France was fairly pro-Prussia in the Seven Weeks war of history, precisely because of their traditional hostility towards Austria. France had just fought a war against Austria in Italy 7 years previously. France at this time will not care about a few neutral cities going to Prussia as much as it will about Austria threatening to achieve what French foreign policy for the last 300+ years has always sought to prevent.

Hapsburg said:
5) Ottomans fanaticism and etc. Crete puts up a better defense than the mainland Greeks, and form a monarchy, with a decendant of Minos as King.

Ottoman fanatacism? Also, this does not explain why the Ottomans are going to make the insanely idiotic diplomatic move of alienating Britain and France, which leaves them completley vulnerable to Russian aggression. Also, as I stated before, Crete was still a part of the Ottoman Empire at this time, and remained so until 1898 in OTL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Crete

Hapsburg said:
6) Necessity is the mother of invenstion, you know.

Um ... there is really no way to respond when you do not answer the question. If automobile mass production is going to be invented 30 years early you need at least some explanation of it. Especially given that as others have pointed out all the damage you have done to Germany would have probably kept Daimler from inventing the automobile on schedule, which did not even happen until five years after you have the Model T Ford in mass production.

Hapsburg said:
7) Modern, my ass! its 1880s timeframe is not modern by any stretch of the word. France is devastated because they are whupped so completely. Austira-Germany is devastated, but not completely. Many are killed in the East, but Vienna isn't hit directly. Because of German patriotism and thier will to be live ,they force the Russians out. Russia and France are equally determined to rule europe, and in this thing, italian unification is not realized.

Well if Italy is not unified, you need a PoD that is before 1866, because the Italian unification was in 1860. I do not see how it is possible for you to also posit a ten year long total war, when four years of total war had just about every combatant nation except for Britain and the US either suffer a total governmental collapse or be on the verge of one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_unification

Hapsburg said:
8)France owned it once before, and the allies aren't going ot be overly cruel, seeing as the French see them as liberators from Babtiste's dictotorial regime.

After a devastating ten year long war you really think the allied response is going to be to give the aggressor nation they have just defeated more land? If the allies were really so foolish as to do that I'm pretty sure every single allied nation would suffer absolutely massive riots. You can not fight a ten year long war with such devastating losses, and not have anything at all to show the populace for gains, and especially not to have actually given the defeated powers more land.

Hapsburg said:
9) American ultranationalism, thrill of recent victory, and also that it seemed like an easy victory, but they were proved somewhat wrong. Many, many other smaller reasons also contribute.

Does the term "war exhaustion" not sound familiar to you? After ten years of war and devastating losses the people of the US are not going to be too eager to immediately send more of their sons off to die in yet another war.

Hapsburg said:
10) Netherlands is owned by Germany in this TL, and the Flemish revolutionaries are a pro-austrian subgroup. Only 999 delegates vote in the Plebiscite, that's why. One didn't arrive(or was assassinated).

Erm, a plebescite woulld mean the entire populace voted on it, not just a group of delegates. Also, I recall no mention of the Netherlands being owned by Germany before, and I really can not see the Dutch being two happy about letting the Hapsburgs run their nation again.

I'm not trying to be insulting, but this TL really needs a lot more work. You have too many changes that really make no sense given the PoD, countries utterly abandoning their most fundamental foreign policy principles, and massive technology leaps with no explanation. Plus there are quite a few basic historical errors that really need to be corrected, such as Italy and Crete.
 
Like i said, i wrote this TWO F*CKING YEARS AGO!! DO I HAVE TO REPEAT IT FIFTY F*CKING TIMES????!!!??!?! JEEZ!!!
After this, i did some more research on the suject, but i haven't edited the orignal story. Mainly b/cuz, im planning on dropping it entirely.


Go find the thread "Holy Roman Empire under Vandox" you'll find it to be a bit more realistic, albiet some unbleiveable things such as Vandox unifying the German princes.
The thread shouldn'tbe too far from here.
 
Hapsburg said:
Like i said, i wrote this TWO F*CKING YEARS AGO!! DO I HAVE TO REPEAT IT FIFTY F*CKING TIMES????!!!??!?! JEEZ!!!
After this, i did some more research on the suject, but i haven't edited the orignal story. Mainly b/cuz, im planning on dropping it entirely.


Go find the thread "Holy Roman Empire under Vandox" you'll find it to be a bit more realistic, albiet some unbleiveable things such as Vandox unifying the German princes.
The thread shouldn'tbe too far from here.

Then why did you post it? Since it was flawed to begin with why be so angry when people point that out?

Took a look at the 'Holy Roman Empire under Vandox' - its just as implausible as this one. Tho admittedly, this one is further half baked, if thats possible. Perhaps you should be posting your ATLs on the Fiction Board, rather than the Discussion Board.
 

Jake Vektor

Banned
My "The Rise of the South" is more plausible than this. At least my TL didn't have freakishly big technological advancements. Okay, it may have had (or, given the current setting of the TL, has) a crazy dictator. But seriously, this is ASB beyond ASB.
 
My "The Rise of the South" is more plausible than this. At least my TL didn't have freakishly big technological advancements. Okay, it may have had (or, given the current setting of the TL, has) a crazy dictator. But seriously, this is ASB beyond ASB.
Thread necromancy!

And you actually went digging through the archives to find a TL that you could be snarky about? And you actually ended up digging one up from almost five years ago? That's just sad.
 

Germaniac

Donor
Wow! When this was published I was still in high school :)... Wow

Hapsburg should have to come back and account for this absolute wreck!
 
Countries can't go to war indefinitely as this timeline makes them. There has to be some recovery time and a period of rebuilding. If this timeline had actually been reality, European populations would have been decimated leaving not many people left alive to fight over.

~Salamon2
 
My "The Rise of the South" is more plausible than this. At least my TL didn't have freakishly big technological advancements. Okay, it may have had (or, given the current setting of the TL, has) a crazy dictator. But seriously, this is ASB beyond ASB.

:eek:

*Utterly dumbfounded and speechless*
 

Hendryk

Banned
And you actually went digging through the archives to find a TL that you could be snarky about? And you actually ended up digging one up from almost five years ago? That's just sad.
Well, it sure is a sign of how bad his TL is, that he had to go back all the way to 2005 to find one that he could claim to be even worse.
 
Kind of a "what if" of Austria and the Austro-Prussian War. Result is: Austria wins and invades Prussia. Other nations get involved...yada, yada yada.
1866-
The Seven Week War ends in favor of Austria. Austrian troops invade Prussia, and drags Hanover, Saxony, Hessia, and Mecklenburg into war. The Austrians gained the support of Bavaria, Baden, and Württemburg. Together, the Austrian Alliance obliterated Saxony, Hessia, and The Rhineland-Palatinate (a Prussian province). The Prussians immediately seized Danzig, the free city, and all Hanseatic League cities. The Prussian economy boosted from the seizure of these port cities. Public outcry from France, Denmark, and the Netherlands almost draw outside nations into the conflict.

1867-
US sends the Army 55th and 53rd Regiments, as well as the 5th US Marine Battalion to Prussia .

Complete ASB, Saxony was Pro Austrian, and Hanover declared for Austria, mobilised its army (along with other states) and went to war AGAINST Prussia. The South German (Catholic) states were pro Austrian from the start. USA just wouldn't, not in a month of Sunday's. They just wouldn't.
 
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