Austrias population in a surving Habsburg Monarchy

Lets say A-H managed to reform, and survivied till today. wheater thats possible or not, is not part of the question here.
How many inhabitants could German Austria have. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...nic.svg/2000px-Greater_austria_ethnic.svg.png

OTL Austria is rather sparsely populated and only has a population of 8.440.465 people. If Austria would have the density of switzerland, there would be about 16 mio. inhabitants.
OTL Austrias population grew from 4,52 mio in 1870 to 6,76 mio in 1913.

North Rhine-Westphalia had a roughly 5 Mio. inhabitants in 1880, today it has a population of nearly 18 mio.

Bavaria had about 6 mio. in 1900, today it has 12 mio.


Do you think such a growth would be possible for Austria too ? Remember that Austria would be part of a big federation in this timeline, Austria would be a industralized region, so there could be many immigrants too, i can also imagine that German Austria would be quite urbanized, with a majority of the people living in cities, also most people would most likley live the flatter areas of Austria in the east.
 
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todays number + south tyrol + austrian bohemia would be "austria". maybe even slovenia.

if there are no ww1 and 2 you can just use the swiss population growth numbers, both countries are similar on many levels.
 
consider that austria would also get many immigrants from other regions of the monarchy though, Vienna would be the capital of a quite huge country.
and why did North Rhine-Westphalia and Bavaria grow much more than Austria ?
 
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hmm, i dont think it would be that high, 20 mio. would probably be the maximum, i doubt it would be even that high, i think around 16 mio is more likley. but 30 mio would be too much IMO.
 
We are quite mountainous, so growth is limited somewhat.

immigration (additional) would go mainly to the Vienna Region.

We are around 8 millions now. Add 2 to Vienna (making it a 4 Million city) add a further 1-2 to the other Population centres (Lowlands between Vienna and Salzburg/Graz)

then you are a 11-12 for the "current Borders" Austria - add Population for the Other Habsburg territories as IOTL...
 
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true, but switzerland is even more mountanous than Austria and about half as big, and still has nearly 8 mio inhabitants.
But i agree, immigration would concentrate on Vienna and maybe the Industrieviertel in Lower Austria.
As for Vienna, it depends on how much vienna grows, OTL vienna grew very fast, having roughly 551.000inhabitants in 1850, it had 1 mio people in 1870, and 2 mio in 1900. if such a high growth would have continued and the birth rates would have been high too, it could be possible for vienna to have about 6 or maybe even 7 mio inhabitants, but thats just speculation, and might be a bit too optimistic. But yeah, about 4 mio inhabitants would be quite realistic. In the Habsburg monarchy, there were plans of a greater vienna, i dont know how big such a greater Vienna would have been though...
 
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hmm, i dont think it would be that high, 20 mio. would probably be the maximum, i doubt it would be even that high, i think around 16 mio is more likley. but 30 mio would be too much IMO.

umm... the german population in Austria-Hungary was 18 million in 1918;
how could it only grow by 2 million in 60 years?
 
keep in mind, it would get more immigration than OTL, Austria being the industrialized centre of the Danubian Federation. Austria is not anti semitic, so many jews from russia could flee to Austria.

OTL Northrhinr-westphalia had a population of 5 mio. in 1880, today it has nearly 18 mio. granted, Austria is much more mountainous, so population would concentrate the flatter areas of Austria, perhaps more skyscrapers or generally taller buildings would be built aswell due to the scarity of building ground in Austria ?
 
That map of German Austria also includes part of today's Hungary and the southernmost part of Bohemia-Moravia, so it is a bit larger than today's Austria.

I'd like to think Vienna could be a six million city as the economic and political capital of a much larger country. Austria would also be one of the main economical and industrial regions of the federation, and would attract (mainly German-speaking) immigration from the other parts of the Empire.

Six million in greater Vienna, ten to twelve million in the rest of German Austria in the map, is my bet.

Prague and the industries of Bohemia-Moravia will attract a lot of the urbanisation too, as will Trieste, with its concentration of the federation's foreign trade, tourism for Dalmatia, ship warfs (both for merchant and navy vessels) will also be a major urban center. Budapest will probably be large too, concentrating the industry in the Hungarian parts of the federation.
 
Lets say A-H managed to reform, and survivied till today. wheater thats possible or not, is not part of the question here.

Wow and to think I was just discussing this....

Here would be my point. There is no chance that Austria and Hungary reform following World War One. Charles could possibly take power in Hungary, but only if Horthy is out of the picture. Austria, meanwhile, in its early history banned any member of the Habsburg family from living in, or owning land in Austria.
 
I also think that Vienna could have 6 or 7 mio inhabitants. and the rest of Austria having about 12 mio. could be possible too. Lower and upper Austria would be most urbanized.

OTL the region of german austria without vienna had about 5 mio inhabitants in 1910. I can easily see it doubling in 100 years, about 12 seems within the realm of possibility.
Vienna grew very fast, and i am sure it would have stayed like this.
 
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