Austria Does Better in 1737-9 Turkish War

It would be very interesting -a POD i have thought about somewhat.
If you know the history of those territories under Austrian rule they tried to settle them with germans (look at the Banat as reference which ended up with a significant german minority). Borderguard areas wuld be organized there instead of southern Hungary. This is imporatant because this was one of the main gripe throughout the century between the hungarian diet and the habsburg government - so better relations there.
But its later that things really get interesting. Serbia remaining austrian and serbian national identity developing at that period would be very important - my guess is that they will become in this scenario one of the most loyal people of the empire - like the croats. Especially as they hope for the further liberation of serbian territories on the balkans (meaning conquest by the habsburgs and addition of the serbian kingdom that exists within the empire). I think in TTL Austria would end up conquering much more of the Balkans and 19th century wont transform the territory to a powder keg.
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War_(1735–1739)

What if Austria had performed better in their 1737 war against the Ottomans, so that they kept their previous gains from the Turkish Empire especially Belgrade?
They’d become even more of a patchwork empire than in OTL while still not being able to defend the important part of their territory, Silesia.
Acquisitions on the Balkans (providing they would not lose them to the Ottomans in the next war) would matter little economically or strategically because big part of the XVIII century Austria was busy fighting or recuperating from not too successful wars on its western borders.
 

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It would be very interesting -a POD i have thought about somewhat.
If you know the history of those territories under Austrian rule they tried to settle them with germans (look at the Banat as reference which ended up with a significant german minority). Borderguard areas wuld be organized there instead of southern Hungary. This is imporatant because this was one of the main gripe throughout the century between the hungarian diet and the habsburg government - so better relations there.
But its later that things really get interesting. Serbia remaining austrian and serbian national identity developing at that period would be very important - my guess is that they will become in this scenario one of the most loyal people of the empire - like the croats. Especially as they hope for the further liberation of serbian territories on the balkans (meaning conquest by the habsburgs and addition of the serbian kingdom that exists within the empire). I think in TTL Austria would end up conquering much more of the Balkans and 19th century wont transform the territory to a powder keg.

What about the potential leg up if consolidate Oltenia to permanently taking Wallachia? Could the Habsburgs extend their authority to the end of the Danube and to the Black Sea, by way of Moldavia or Dobruja, cutting off Russian access to Bulgaria/the Balkans in the future?
 
What about the potential leg up if consolidate Oltenia to permanently taking Wallachia? Could the Habsburgs extend their authority to the end of the Danube and to the Black Sea, by way of Moldavia or Dobruja, cutting off Russian access to Bulgaria/the Balkans in the future?
Highly questionable because the main fighting was on the Balkans and instead of “doing better” you need almost a miracle. 😜

However, if this miracle happens, Russia is a great beneficiary because the Crimea Khanate and the Ottoman holdings on the Northern coast of the Black Sea are completely separated from the rest of the Ottoman territory and, with Austria victorious, Russia does not have to return them back to the Ottomans as happened in OTL after Austrian screwup. So basically, during the reign of Anna Russia can get a big part of what in OTL it got only after the 1st Ottoman war of CII. The future war(s) is just a mopping operation to finalize the issue with the CH and to take few isolated fortresses retained by the Ottomans. The border is finalized on the Dniester or Danube.

The whole Balkan thingy was an issue of a much later period (and of power vacuum): during CIIs 2nd Ottoman War Russia was seemingly OK with the Austrian operations in Moldavia and there were even rather touchy examples of cooperation in which, rather untypically, Austrian general voluntarily went under command of the junior in rank Russian general. In a long term, this scenario would be very beneficial for Russia because it butterflies a number of expensive and unproductive wars or limiting some of them to Caucasus theater. All this assumes that Austria is lucky not just in that specific war but in the following Ottoman wars as well and manages to keep the conquest.

Austria, gets control of the Danube in which it was interested as in trade route but it also getting more “foreign” population and the Ottomans looking for revenge. And in this scenario Austria is facing the Ottomans alone (with a possibility of the Russian operations on Caucasus).
 
What about the potential leg up if consolidate Oltenia to permanently taking Wallachia? Could the Habsburgs extend their authority to the end of the Danube and to the Black Sea, by way of Moldavia or Dobruja, cutting off Russian access to Bulgaria/the Balkans in the future?

Not in the 1737-39 war - or at least not without a serious army reform as a POD. Austria can easily loose it less badly or maybe even manage it without loosing territory but the austrian army in the 1740's was the worst austrian army in the 18th century. See their performance in the war of austrian sucession just after this one. Later however they did manage to reform their army to a respectable level so later Ottoman wars in the 18th century could see Austria expanding further along the Danube - economically it would be really mportant to take the Danube Delta. Cutting off the Russians from the Balkans might also be a great boon later - however it also would put the 2 Empires on a collision course much earlier.

As for later stability of the Empire: Serbia was AFAIK incorporated to the Habsburg realm as a separate Kingdom between 1718-1740 and im pretty sure that would be was the case with Oltenia as well - the Habsburgs were not keen on putting territoryunder the control of Hungary even when it made sense or the hungarians wanted it (see the endless debates about the Partium in the hungarian diets in the 19th century). In the case of Serbia it both made no sense and the hungarians also did not want it. With Serbia in the Empire a trialist solution is much more likely than OTL.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War_(1735–1739)

What if Austria had performed better in their 1737 war against the Ottomans, so that they kept their previous gains from the Turkish Empire especially Belgrade?

There isn't much to say. If Austria did better in the war they would keep Serbia. There is no guarantee it would be lost later though. But that is just assuming. Serbia remains Austrians, the Muslims (Slavs, Albanians, Turks) are replaced by Catholics (Germans, Hungarians, Croats) as the local elite over an Eastern Orthodox majority.

Operating South of the Danube starts to become harder for the Austrians due to the geography and the existence of loyal Ayans in the Balkans (see: Bosnia 1737-39). Not impossible to hold but it definitely won't be like the reconquest of Hungary.
 
One implication of retaining Serbia is that the second Serbian migration didn’t happen thereby
reducing the Serbian population in Vojvodina. Austria can hang on to Serbia if it extends privileges in return for serving as border guards. The church hierarchy in Serbia was an ally of Vienna and there wasn’t a nobility to wrangle with. Different situation in neighboring Oltenia. The boyars there did not appreciate the centralizing tendencies of the Habsburgs.
 
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