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if Austria tried to colonize north Africa in early 1800s ,maybe Libya and Tunisia could it actually keep control of colonies ?
these are ottoman lands with the latter being in there influence.Libya and Tunisia could it actually keep control of colonies
can the ottomans actually win against austria?these are ottoman lands with the latter being in there influence.
yes the ottomans have a bigger fleet. Native loyal population in north africa. Muhammad Ali they can call upon depending on time period. Also the ottomans for the most part have been able to stop austrian expansionism, how is fighting in bosnia going to get them north africa?can the ottomans actually win against austria?
austrian defeat the ottomans in land and get ottoman territory of north africa in peaceyes the ottomans have a bigger fleet. Native loyal population in north africa. Muhammad Ali they can call upon depending on time period. Also the ottomans for the most part have been able to stop austrian expansionism, how is fighting in bosnia going to get them north africa?
Or the ottomans just wait them or defeat them in a battle the austrians are not russia they don't have infinite resources and money to keep fighting, also they don't have the forces strong enough to take the entire balkans.austrian defeat the ottomans in land and get ottoman territory of north africa in peace
Why wouldn't France or England get it?I could see an international Congress awarding Tunisia to Austria in order to keep it out of Italian hands and prevent Italy from being able to militarily dominate the Central Mediterranean.
Due to them already having colonies and to have a neutral party in between French colonies and egyptWhy wouldn't France or England get it?
can the ottomans actually win against austria?
austrian defeat the ottomans in land and get ottoman territory of north africa in peace
I could see an international Congress awarding Tunisia to Austria in order to keep it out of Italian hands and prevent Italy from being able to militarily dominate the Central Mediterranean.
Ditto to that. Technically, the only time frame in which Austria can properly project power into North Africa and the southern shore of the Mediterranean is after the reforms of admiral Wilhelm von Tegetthoff in the 1860's, and even then, i don't think Austria would have much of an interest in overseas expansion, other than some penal colonies or bargaining chips.Problems I see:
Early 1800... I imagine betwee 1800-1830...
So...
Between 1800-1815: Austria is in an all out war every few years with France. It is highly unlikely they would consider a North African Colony in the crucial parts of the Napoleonic Era. Andddd... no Navy to help.
Between 1815-1830: Austria still does not have a navy to enforce the deal. They could get victories in Bosnia and Serbia but that won't get them North Africa. OTL Principality of Serbia might get awarded to Austria but this goes against the will of Metternich.
The only option I see is Austria-Hungary being awarded with Libya between 1878-1908. The Ottomans may get Bosnia back as a compensation and that is generous.
Yes but Britain isn't tied into the European alliance system until after 1905 remember. An Anglo - German alliance or an Anglo-French conflict after Fashoda and what France and Italy want may not be decisiveBut you can't see that happen as an international congress would be past 1860 and by then, Tunisia is within Fremch sphere of influence. France won't go for it and neither will Italy.
Ditto to that. Technically, the only time frame in which Austria can properly project power into North Africa and the southern shore of the Mediterranean is after the reforms of admiral Wilhelm von Tegetthoff in the 1860's, and even then, i don't think Austria would have much of an interest in overseas expansion, other than some penal colonies or bargaining chips.
And Franz Josef was a complete landlubber who may not even have possessed a naval uniform. His brother Maximilian seems to have been far more interested in the wider world, so might have gone for it. And if Italy could conquer Libya in 1911-12 there's no particular reason why Austria couldn't - if its ruler wanted to badly enough
Yes but Britain isn't tied into the European alliance system until after 1905 remember. An Anglo - German alliance or an Anglo-French conflict after Fashoda and what France and Italy want may not be decisive
And Franz Josef was a complete landlubber who may not even have possessed a naval uniform. His brother Maximilian seems to have been far more interested in the wider world, so might have gone for it. And if Italy could conquer Libya in 1911-12 there's no particular reason why Austria couldn't - if its ruler wanted to badly enough