Austria after a permanent Anschluss

How distinct or assimilated would Austria be to rest of the German Republic if Anschluss wasn't made null and void?
 

ninebucks

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The Austrians wouldn't be able to kid themselves that they were victims of Nazism, rather than being responsible participants in its rise.

Austria avoided having to do the national soul-searching that Germany did after WWII, and I'd suggest its a worse country because of it.

An Anschluss'd Austria would be a better place socially and economically.
 

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@ninebucks
interesting you should say that. Why do you think it makes them a bad country? I don't disagree with you, but would still like to hear why. I lived there for a year and have some very interesting observations about the culture, especially how much the 'hate' the Germans.
 

Susano

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How distinct or assimilated would Austria be to rest of the German Republic if Anschluss wasn't made null and void?
Theres no need for Austria to assimilate inside Germany, as they already WERE German. Theyd be as distinct as any state-level identity.

Austria avoided having to do the national soul-searching that Germany did after WWII, and I'd suggest its a worse country because of it.
Thats nonsense - its like saying every part fo Germany is worse off for it:rolleyes:
 
East Austria would still be suffering from the effects of being a part of the DDR and its collapsed economy.

Vienna would have also been divided, and the twin cities of Berlin and Vienna would both symbolize the impacts of the Cold War on Western Europe.
 
Theres no need for Austria to assimilate inside Germany, as they already WERE German. Theyd be as distinct as any state-level identity.

So Bavaria is also no less distinct than any other part of Germany? So why didn't CSU merge with the CDU? Why do Bavarian media report about "11-year-old 'Bub' found dead" instead of "11-year old 'Junge' found dead" as in my Swabian newspaper, also deep in the absolute hellhole of Upper German dialects? Why do they put the notaries in charge of sealing gay unions instead of the usual register offices? Where did the rumours about a "Die Ärzte" record being forbidden in Bavaria come from if they weren't more distinct?


I rather thought about those things:

Firstly, OTL Austria has a sizeable far-right in parliament. That's not untypical in Europe, but untypical for Germany. That's something that maybe wouldn't exist if Austria belonged to Germany. But on the other hand, could we still see an ÖVP separate from the major German centre-right party as the Bavarian CSU is? Or would CSU and ÖVP analogues be missing at all and we have a happy reunited Zentrum in the whole of the Reich? (New cliché, if you want Weimar to survive, it needs to invade Austria, see Glen and Faeelin TLs, hahaha...)

Secondly, various official and semi-official Austrizisms. TV watchers are called "Zuschauer" in Germany, but "Zuseher" in Austria (check out satellite TV if you're on cable), and pedestrians are "Fußgänger" in Germany, but "Fußgeher" in Austria. I somehow don't dare to judge if that aspect would vanish in a permanent Anschluss scenario. On the hand, the whole political terminology would vanish. But on the other hand, what did I say about Bavarian newspapers?


My question is, would Austria be a second Bavaria, more than that or even less than that? Would both Bavaria and Austria even be more assimiliated as Bavaria is (or is not) in OTL?
 

Susano

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@DrNo:
Well, but even Bavarias... special identity is just another statelevel identity, in the end, and not an own national sentiment or anything. Of course they are special in some regards, also politcially. If that would also count for Austria - well, as a thought, it might even be that Austria deliberatly does not form marks of an own identity like Bavarias. After all, the Anschluss came after deaces of outside imposed seperation, so a frenzy of making Austria falling as much in line with the rest of Germany as possible could be possible... so no "Austrian CSU-equivalent" maybe.

As for th elanguage, the OTL differences are mainly differences of different Ausbausprachen. While there is an Austrian dialect (or rather, an Austro-Bavarian dialect), that is not the base for the divergences between High German and "High Austrian", but rather divergent development. I would assume that, while the Austrian dialect remains as much in place as the various other German dialects (meaning not all that much over time...) this falls in line, too, though its also possible Austria remains some divergences the same way as, say, the BR has other pronouncation guildiens as all other German stations... but since Germany is usually big on standardisation I could see the official uses being harmonised, with the divergences becoming just part of local dialect.

Of course, that all is assuming a democratic, non-Nazi Anschluss (and avoidal of WW2, which seems the only way to make it permanent)
 
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