ATL Underground / Overground Rail Systems

The Professor

The Professor

I've recently noticed the Bay Area Rapid Transit Thread (https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=130022) and it has intrigued me.

Are there any other ATL Underground, Overground, Wandering Free (;)) ideas & maps floating around?

As an example WWII disrupted the Northern Heights Plan of London Underground which would have connected Muswell Hill and Alexandra Palace to the Northern Line. So an ATL without WWII occurring as OTL might have this.

Rgds

Prof
 

Tyr

I did a super nerdy uber Newcsastle metro some time ago...The final map was too big to be uploaded though :(

I do love metro systems for some bizarre, freakishly geeky reason....
 

Riain

I'd like to see the old LA system before it went bust, I've read LA developed it's sprawl not because of cars but because of the worlds best public transport system.
 
The Professor

The Professor

Leej said:
I did a super nerdy uber Newcsastle metro some time ago...The final map was too big to be uploaded though :(

I do love metro systems for some bizarre, freakishly geeky reason....
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Any links offsite to it? Would be interesting to have a look.

I once contemplated doing one for York as the English capital but the geography is mainly against it.
 

Joseph K.

I guarantee that for every system in existance there are many old plans that never came about, alternate proposals, and in the older ones lots of ideas that would be abandoned. It's the nature of how these things are managed.
 

Tyr

The Professor said:
Any links offsite to it? Would be interesting to have a look.

I once contemplated doing one for York as the English capital but the geography is mainly against it.
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I'll try and find some of it and see if I can upload it anywhere.



What kind of geography?

I know Edinburgh since it likes seeing itself as a capital now is developing its tram system purely because the rock is too tough for drilling.
 

Expat

There has been something of a Renaissance in alternate/improved DC Metro maps these days. The best collection can be found on the development blog Greater Greater Washington. Since it's not my site, I'll just post links:

http://greatergreaterwashington.org/image.cgi?src=200802/wmatafantasy2large.png&ref=634

http://greatergreaterwashington.org/image.cgi?src=200806/transitfuturelarge.png&ref=950

http://greatergreaterwashington.org/image.cgi?src=200808/evanswmatalarge.jpg&ref=1116

http://greatergreaterwashington.org/image.cgi?src=200902/metroexpresslarge.png&ref=1709

And here are two more from different sites:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IleclKMZ1Mg/SCmivIgRUDI/AAAAAAAAAvM/QRmseWE-XyI/s1600-h/ExportTest1.png

http://tsarchitect.nsflanagan.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/metro-diagram.jpg

And since I was there anyway, here's a North American high-speed rail network envisioned by Greater Greater Washington:

http://greatergreaterwashington.org/image.cgi?src=200803/hsrnetworklarge.png&ref=668
 
The Professor

The Professor

Interesting Expat.

@Leej: York City itself is quite low in the water table or something for an underground system to have begun in the equivalent late Victorian early Edwardian period. However this may have resulted in a Citywide tram-light rail system instead ;)
 

FDW

Banned
Just to let everyone Know I will Be doing an ATL Seattle and Los Angeles rail systems, in that order after I finish with BARTwank and i should be posting my next updat on that within an hour.
 

karl2025

I made this one of the DC Metro a little while ago:
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Orville_third

Banned
Nice Greater Washington area map...
One question: where would the station be for the USDA's Henry A. Wallace-Beltsville Research Center?
 

wilcoxchar

Interesting Washington maps. For the maps that Expat posted, I find having AU as a separate stop from Tenleytown interesting. I'm not sure I'd want that, as it doesn't really take much time to take the university shuttle from campus to the metro stop anyway.
 

Expat

wilcoxchar said:
Interesting Washington maps. For the maps that Expat posted, I find having AU as a separate stop from Tenleytown interesting. I'm not sure I'd want that, as it doesn't really take much time to take the university shuttle from campus to the metro stop anyway.
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That Brown Line stretch from AU to Georgetown is rather crowded. I don't think it needs that many stops. I think it'd be more for Red Liners making their way directly to Georgetown, and only secondarily for locals heading up the Red Line. Northern DC crosstown commutes are almost unheard of, and all other transfers but Red Line north make no sense. Probably could lose a stop or two and still have similar ridership levels. AU might be dropped.

However I did have one memorable night about eight years ago seeing Weezer at the Bender Arena, missing the last shuttle to the metro, and thereby missing the last train and having to walk the five miles home. Having a line on campus would've fixed that problem. But then again the night's much more memorable this way. :p

As for Beltsville, I regret to say I don't know. I read the accompanying post, but he doesn't mention the station.
(I assume that's the plan you meant; it was the only one I noticed with Beltsville marked.)
 

Tyr

Scott_B said:
I wish Edinburgh's tram system was safely off in an ATL...
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:D
It is a pain in the bum isn't it?
Last time I tried to get into Edinburgh by bus we were messing about in the burbs for ages due to the construction work.
 

wilcoxchar

Expat said:
That Brown Line stretch from AU to Georgetown is rather crowded. I don't think it needs that many stops. I think it'd be more for Red Liners making their way directly to Georgetown, and only secondarily for locals heading up the Red Line. Northern DC crosstown commutes are almost unheard of, and all other transfers but Red Line north make no sense. Probably could lose a stop or two and still have similar ridership levels. AU might be dropped.

However I did have one memorable night about eight years ago seeing Weezer at the Bender Arena, missing the last shuttle to the metro, and thereby missing the last train and having to walk the five miles home. Having a line on campus would've fixed that problem. But then again the night's much more memorable this way. :p
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Yeah, also there's pretty much already a bus that goes straight down Massachusetts from AU to Georgetown, and since there isn't likely to be a metro stop in Georgetown any time soon, the brown line probably wouldn't serve much purpose. And I definitely sympathize with you with the shuttle story, the campus shuttles are...let's say, unpredictable. :D
 

michaelrbn

I don't have any links, but in addition to the various plans for Washington DC's Metro over the past 40+ years, there were also plans for some fairly disruptive highways to be built at one time. The Southeast and Southwest Freeways were to be joined by roads that would have completed an inner beltway with the District. I recall seeing plans which would have had the route following Florida Avenue and then turning southward around 17th Street and New Hampshire Avenue, plowing through my current home.
 

Tyr

Oh well.
I couldn't find my old version- I think its lost on the harddrive of my old laptop :( - but I decided to make a new, less crazy, improved Newcastle metro map:

mine3.PNG
 
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