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...And The Flag Still Waves

Without further adieu... this is the next installment in the story of the two empires.

822 - The Eastern Emperor Leo IV receives an embassy from a land far east the Byzantines call Cathay, previously known only from scattered travel stories, and for being the home of the silk worm, smuggled into Byzantium during the reign of Justinian I. During the ambassadors' visit, they present the Emperor with a dozen primitive rockets, explaining those to be a great item to be used in festivities. To celebrate the birth of his youngest son, Andronicus, Leo orders the rockets to be used in an ensuing celebration. The resulting accident costs several servants major injuries, but also gives Leo a few things to ponder about the military use of such explosive as that presented to him. Ironically, the Chinese themselves never considered the military applications of their invention, preferring to think of it as a potentially dangerous, but ultimately useless toy.

823 - A Pictish king Duncan unites the tribes of Northern Britain in an attempt to resist continuous Norse incursions. While within a few years' space he will be soundly defeated and killed, his early successes do much to inspire the inhabitants of the British Isles.

824 - Leo's attempts to have his scientists duplicate the explosive substance end up in failure, as the concoctions his servants create do not seem to have significant explosive power. He becomes convinced that a secret of the substance, and significant quantities thereof must be obtained from the Chinese. Using a time-tested tactic, he sends a group of agents disguised as monks to ostensibly spread the Orthodox faith to the East - but in reality to obtain the secret of gunpowder, and bring it back to Constantinople for manufacture.

825 - The Aquitainian king Pepin has now solidified his rule over most of Gaul, the Pyrennees, and even parts of Germany conquered by his troops. Having strengthened his army with elite corps of Norse mercenaries, he is looking towards what he sees as his ultimate goal - the rich, fertile lands of Italy, and the unification of Roman Empire's European dominions under one crown, that being his own. Believing that during the minority of young Michael III the Venetian Empire would be easy prey, he marches his troops south of the Alps in a greatest invasion of Italy since Belisarius' reconquest three centuries earlier.

826 - Pepin's troops capture Ravenna after a long siege, enslaving and slaughtering many of the inhabitants. In Venice, a general mood of panic prevails. An army is hastily assembled, while additional troops are being recalled from Sicily, Iberia, and North Africa. This army is placed under command of one Vitale Romagniani, an admiral turned general considered the ablest military leader of Venetian Empire. He bides his time, preparing his troops for what he believes to be an ultimate showdown over who would control the Roman Empire in the West. Several attempts by Pepin to force battle are unsuccessful.

827 - After months of maneuvering, the battle of Modena is fought between the exhausted Frankish army, already suffering from effects of the plague and guerilla activity of Venetians, and a new Venetian army. The Franks number over seventy thousand; the Venetian army is roughly half the size. Vitale draws the Franks into a carefully planned ambush, where the rest could quickly be surmised. The Franks are slaughtered in droves, with many captives transported to North Africa. Vitale is hailed the savior of the Empire, and is allowed to hold a triumph in Venice.

828 - The Venetian Senate decides, after much deliberation, to revive the office of a Consul. The office has been allowed to lapse towards the end of Justinian I's reign, and has not been reinstituted in either East or West. A Consul would have a second duty, as well - considering the Emperor's minority, he would act as a guardian and protector of the young Emperor while still technically subject to the Senate. Vitale Romagniani is nominated to be the Consul for the West, and is elected to the post without surprises. He will hold the Consulship seven more times, inviting comparisons to ancient Gaius Marius. An invitation to elect a Consul of the East is received in Constantinople, whereas Leo has his eldest son Nicephorus nominated Consul. Leo believes that humoring the West could do much for an outward display of unity of the Empires, even though both Empires have long been practically independent of each other.

830 - The Norse raiders establish permanent principalities in the south of England. The most prominent is the Earldom of Londinium, established on the ruins of wealthy Anglish principality.

831 - The Eastern Emperor Leo IV dies in Constantinople, having previously ensured the succession of his own firstborn as Nicephorus II. Only a month after his death, the surviving agents of mission to China arrive back to Constantinople with small quantities of precious explosive substance. On the way back they had to endure hardships, disease, robbers, the conquering armies of the Caliphate, and many other obstacles, however, with the substance in Byzantine hands, and a basic understanding of how to make it available, gunpowder made its appearance in the Western history. The early Byzantine gunpowder weapons came in two qualities, ship-based rockets to fire at the enemy naval vessels in conjunction with the Greek Fire (although the range and accuracy of these projectiles left much to be desired), and hand-thrown grenades, that in their first several incarnations cost many a Byzantine soldier an arm or a leg. Over the next decade, the designs would be improved to where these weapons would have a greater chance of hurting the enemy than the weapon's wielder.

833 - In the West, young Michael III expects to rule in his own stead after turning eighteen years of age. Instead, Consul Vitale and the Senate, fully aware that the relative freedom they had enjoyed during his minority might be over, force him to sign over the document confirming the privileges and rights of the Senate, and limiting the Emperor's power. Years later, reflecting on the event, Michael III Ducas would say to his son, "I leave you a throne less elaborate, but much stronger"; at the time, however, the passions run high, almost amounting to a coup, averted only because the army supports the Consul to a man. The first decade of Michael III's supposedly independent reign is thus primarily occupied by a power struggle with the Senate. The Eastern Emperor Nicephorus II is concerned about developments in the West, however, due to trouble with the Caliphate brewing on the Eastern frontier, decides not to interfere.

835 - A great Ecumenical Council of the Church is held in Alexandria, the first time leading theologians and churchmen of the Mediterranean world met on the territory nominally in clutches of both Athanasian and monophysite heresies. While the crucial issues such as iconoclasm are not resolved, the dialogue under the protection of a nominally neutral power does much to increase if not acceptance, then at least tolerance of Arabic Athanasian Christians and their Coptic Christian subjects' faith in both Eastern and Western Roman Empires.

836 - In the East, the Emperor Nicephorus is seen as an ineffectual leader, more concerned with his numerous mistresses, wild drinking orgies, and racing horses than with the business of government. Such state of affairs is to the advantage of one Romanus of Cyprus, who rose to the position of High Chamberlain in no small part due to being one of the Emperor's constant drinking companions. Although Romanus' origins are humble, he is smart enough to play the various cliques and political parties in the Senate against each other to become a key player in an increasingly more intricate web of Byzantine politics.

838 - The legend has it that the great city of Kiev (or Kyiv, depending on whether you ask an OTL Russian or Ukrainian) was founded in the late Vth century AD by brothers Kij, Schekh, Khoriv, and their sister Lyibid', the city being named after the eldest brother (Kij - Kiev/Kyiv meaning "Kij's"). By the IXth century, it is a major trading center on the Dnepr (or Dnipro, if Ukrainian pronounciation is to be used) river, and a center of bustling Slavic principality. Early in 838, a Norse Prince named Oleg establishes himself as the ruler of Kiev by slaying the local princes, and taking their place. Over the next several decades, the Norse would be mostly assimilated into the Slavic population of the city, who are now taking the Norse name for their people, Rus (meaning "south", for the direction in which the Norse explorers, traders, and conquerors went).

839 - Despite Pepin the Tall's disastrous Italian expedition, his son Lewis still dreams of expansion. Worse yet for the Venetians, at a stroke of a pen he abolishes the Gaulish Patriarch's dependency on Rome, instead making the Patriarch a head of an independent Gaulish Christian Church. Lewis' plans of expansion are usually scouted out by missionaries, who set out in force to convert the neighbouring nations to Christianity. Such a mission is sent to Bulgaria, where for many years the Byzantine conversion efforts were unsuccessful. Not now, though, as the Bulgar Khan Stanislav is seriously alarmed at the prospect of not only Frankish version of Christianity, but outright attempt at conquest. Worse yet, a pagan nation sandwiched between the spheres of Christian influence offers a fair game for conquest without a need for excuse, especially if it is done in the name of God, with other Christian nations standing by idly at best, and trying to grab a piece of the spoils at worst. To this effect, Stanislav sends ambassadors to Nicephorus II's court in Constantinople, informing the Emperor of his and his people's wish to embrace Orthodox Christianity.

840 - In Constantinople, Romanus of Cyprus is by now all-powerful, and his eyes are firmly set upon the throne itself. He convinces bumbling, by now always drunk Nicephorus II to crown him co-Emperor, to "lessen the burden of managing the Empire". He makes no difficulties over the Bulgarian ambassadors' request, inviting the Khan over to Constantinople for his baptism. The Khan arrives with a suite of most illustrous of Bulgarian nobles, and is then baptised in Hagia Sophia, with the now-Emperor Romanus I Cyprioticus standing godfather. Moreover, he is granted the rank of Caesar - a purely titular distinction, designed to further attach Stanislav to Byzantium politically as well as religiously, and not implicating him in Roman government. From now on, Stanislav of Bulgaria begins to style himself Tsar of the Bulgars.

841 - The first Russian raid on Constantinople is defeated by judicious use of Greek Fire and new, improved rockets. In the city itself, Nicephorus II is found dead in his apartments, apparently suffocating in a large goblet of wine his face fell into while intoxicated. Of course, whether or not his head just happened to land in a goblet, or if it was held to be made look that way is open to much speculation... Thus, Romanus I Cyprioticus became the sole ruler of Byzantium, and the founder of the Cypriote dynasty. Any surviving relatives of Nicephorus are, in a meanwhile, quietly disposed of, with his two brothers castrated and tonsured, and his sisters and daughters forced to take the veil.

842 - The first mention of gunpowder in the Arabic manuscripts. After observing the efficiency of the weapon (explosive grenade in this case) in a border dispute, the Caliph of Baghdad orders that his men obtain the secret at any cost. Within only a year, and through liberal use of bribes, they are successful. In the next century, the basic use of gunpowder will spread uncontrollably throughout the Mediterranean world.

Next installment - hopefully tomorrow.
 
ah....godfather references.....

Great stuff. I like this bit:

Thus, Romanus I Cyprioticus became the sole ruler of Byzantium, and the founder of the Cypriote dynasty. Any surviving relatives of Nicephorus are, in a meanwhile, quietly disposed of, with his two brothers castrated and tonsured, and his sisters and daughters forced to take the veil.

Following the age old tradition....

Just curious- with all this 'dumping' of unwanted female siblings of dead royalty, how strong are the abbey(s) and various religious insitutions? Have they benefited from this royal influence? I know out of practical reasons they can't make it that apparent but I'm just curious on what is the actual effect within that religious structure-
 
G.Bone said:
ah....godfather references.....

Great stuff. I like this bit:



Following the age old tradition....

Just curious- with all this 'dumping' of unwanted female siblings of dead royalty, how strong are the abbey(s) and various religious insitutions? Have they benefited from this royal influence? I know out of practical reasons they can't make it that apparent but I'm just curious on what is the actual effect within that religious structure-

In OTL, the religious institutions as well as the Orthodox Church were for most of Byzantine history at least somewhat under the Emperor's sway, with various abbeys/churches' individual strength and influence depending on their favor with the Patriarch. In OTL, by VIIIth century, the monasteries were not only a repository of imperial waste (to steal a quote from Norwich), but also considered to be a dead weight on the state's economy, resulting in the laws being made to limit the number of entries into the monasteries, and to try to limit their overall power. In ATL, the monasteries are probably not too much stronger than in OTL, possibly even weaker, since the last time the Patriarch wielded worldly power, he ended up being discredited, as such, the Emperor's control is even stronger than in OTL.

Thank you for the comments!
 
Constantinople said:
I dont think yo should let the West Roman Empire laspe into a Venetian Empire, its less interesting.


Remember, the "Venetian Empire" is a moniker used by the latter historians of an ATL, to distinguish it from the "Byzantine Empire" - both Empires are calling themselves, and are thinking of themselves as truly being the Roman Empire. Also, ethnically and culturally the Western Empire has changed much since the Vth century, to where its ethnic, linguistic, and social makeup includes just as many Gothic, Greek, and Frankish elements as it does Latin ones. While the people of the Western Empire might speak a bastardised version of Latin (which is pretty much the beginnings of a distinct "Italian" language), their names, customs, and forms of government, while borrowing somewhat from the original Roman Empire, are by now changing to where they really acquire a distinct identity from the Empire of the East, and are by now very different from the pre-division (or pre-476) Roman Empire in the West. Thus, "Venetian" is simply used as a description - call someone from the Western Empire "Venetian", and, unless they think you are referring to the city of their origin (if they are, indeed, from Venice), they will not know what you are talking about.
 
Super55 said:
I wonder where these ATL historians are from… ;)
Perhaps we’ll get there someday… :)

Definitely... probably not today though, I might not get to finish this update until tomorrow. :)
 
Unholy Wars, Unholy Rage

To all my readers, sorry about no update yesterday, I didn't have much time to finish one. Here is the update covering the middle of the IXth century.

843 - Lewis, the King of Aquitaine, expands his territories checked only by the Venetians in the South and Byzantines and Bulgars in the East. With throngs of Norse mercenaries serving alongside his Frankish and Aquitainian armies, he conquers much of Germany, and finally subdues the Avars, creating a Frankish enclave within a relatively short distance of Venice itself. However, when in 843 he decides to attack the Lombards, the Venetians decide to intervene, as the Lombards are still technically the Imperial foederati. Unfortunately for Venetians, the great Consul Vitale Romagniani has died only months before the hostilities, leaving few generals able to resist the Frankish onslaught and carry the war to the enemy.

844 - The Venetian army under command of the Emperor Michael himself is annihilated, and the Emperor barely escapes with his life. Wisely, with his popularity and power significantly damaged, Michael presents himself before the Senate and gives up the conduct of war to them, confirming the Senate's authority and agreeing to further limit his powers in exchange for their support of him on his throne.

846 - The army of Aquitaine overruns most of Iberia, frequently with enthusiastic help from the local Visigoths. The only areas still in Venetian hands are few scattered coastal fortresses that held out thanks to Venetian naval superiority. With the situation looking increasingly dire, the Western Imperial Senate sends a plea to the East for help, where Romanus Cyprioticus strengthens the Imperial hold on Greece and Anatolia.

847 - Despite fierce Venetian resistance, Lewis' army crosses over into Italy, defeating two smaller Roman armies sent against them. Lewis sends a delegation offering peace terms to Venetians, which include cessation of all of Iberia, acknowledgement of his suzerainty over Lombards and Avars, one of Michael III's daughters as a bride for Lewis' son, another Lewis, and most of Northern Italy as a dowry. Not surpisingly, the ambassadors returned in two pieces, heads detached.

848 - In Norway, a local chieftain named Olaf is quickly making a name for himself, not only uniting many of the tribes and principalities, but getting himself crowned the King of Norway by 840. In 848, his dominions include Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, and his appetite only grows. Olaf sends an expedition to subdue the still-independent states of Angleland and Pictland, and to obtain full control over the British Isles. In a meanwhile, small detachments of Byzantine troops, armed with the first versions of firearms in addition to their usual armaments, arrive in Venice just in time to join the Italian army, which has assembled to protect the capital against Lewis.

849 - Lewis marches south in Italy, sacking many towns, until he is within sight of Rome itself. It is his hope that, with threat to Rome, the Venetian army would attempt to protect the old capital due to disastrous loss of prestige the government would suffer should Rome be abandoned to its fate. Sure enough, the combined Venetian and Byzantine army arrives, and the battle of Tiber starts. In the beginning, the Franks seem to be winning, however, the new (even though very primitive) handguns have a terrifying effect on the Frankish horses, who throw their riders down in attempts to escape the battlefield. Only with great difficulty Lewis was able to prevent a general rout and to withdraw in orderly fashion.

850 - Lewis' army, reorganized to place more emphasis on infantry, takes Milan, claiming it as the base for any future incursions into Italy. In a meanwhile, Venetian agents are hard at work convincing Frankish and Aquitainian barons to revolt, forcing Lewis to deal with domestic issues first. One of the Venetian agents makes it to the court of Norse King Olaf, who is very enthusiastic about potential assistance - very enthusiastic indeed, as the rich lands of Gaul would offer him not only a chance for plunder, but also a good opportunity to expand his dominions. And, for Venetians, the fact that Olaf and his nation are, for the most part, devout pagans, does not get into the way of business.

851 - By now, after eight years of war, Lewis still does not have much to show for his trouble. The Iberian Visigoths, while initially his willing instruments, are creating as much trouble for him as they were for the Romans, while the Frankish barons are getting restless, having had enough of the long campaign. Worse yet, the Viking raids are now rumoured to be giving way to a full-scale invasion, while Venice stands as impregnable as ever. Lewis calls for a general withdrawal, having himself crowned the Emperor of the Franks and Romans in Aachen by his ever-faithful Patriarch of Gaul. The Venetians, grateful to be rid of their mortal enemy, are indifferent - in fact, an old Senator wryly commented that Lewis could call himself the Negusa Nagast of Axum for all he cares.

853 - The Islamic Caliphate's newly-improved gunpowder weapons are proving to be a large factor in Islam's expansion eastward. Much of the Indian subcontinent is now claimed by the Caliphate, and its raiding parties occasionally penetrate into China. A large factor in the Caliphate's success is the relative adaptability of the Islamic faith, and the concept that the religious bonds are more important than national or ethnic ones - in other words, anyone professing Islamic faith automatically qualifies for all benefits of citizenship, regardless of their national origin. Many of the lower-class and lower-caste Indians willingly convert to Islam, and join the ranks of an ever-growing Caliphate army.

854 - A few of the Caliphate's missionaries travel to the lands north of China, where they find nomadic tribes whose fierce demeanor and harsh surroundings forged them into a formiddable force - providing that they turn their weapons agains the outsiders and not against each other. The missionaries make a number of conversions, and then depart - however, not before converting a number of key tribal leaders.

855 - Locked on different sides by hostile Caliphate, Russians, and neutral, but potentially dangerous Khazars, Byzantines are looking for different trade routes to reach India and China. An ambitious undertaking is suggested by Emperor Romanus, proposing to build a canal at Suez in Egypt, that will allow the Byzantine ships to travel East. He has a hard time convincing the Egyptian Caliph and the Axumite Negusa Nagast of the benefits of such a canal, but by promising regular "rent" payments to Egyptians, and very favorable trade terms to Axumites, he is able to get them to agree on the project.

856 - Frankish and Norse armies meet in a decisive battle, resulting in the Norse withdrawal into their own territories. While there would be still occasional Norse raids into the Frankish territories, the result of the battle is that most of the Norse expansionist zeal will be directed West rather than South - to Britain, and lands beyond.

857 - Using the opportunity presented by Franks occupied elsewhere, the Western Empire retakes their Iberian holdings previously lost to Franks, Aquitainians, and Visigoths. In Constantinople, Romanus I dies, to be succeeded by his eldest son as Basil III.

859 - The first mention of a primitive cannon in Western literature. The weapon is called a "bombard", and is used by a resourceful Venetian commander attempting to take a fortress a rebel band of Visigoths holed itself in. In India, the Caliphate enters a period of consolidation, restructuring its holdings, and looking at the next target of its expansion - China.

860 - The Norse assault on the British Isles is renewed, with neither Picts nor Angles standing much of a chance. This time, the Norse come as conquerors, not as raiders, destroying everything that stands in their way. Within only a few years' time, most of Britain is in Norse hands, with many Angles and Picts fleeing for the relative (but only so) safety of Hibernia (Ireland).

862 - The Eastern Emperor Basil III institutes "Varangian Guard", an elite corps of mercenaries fanatically faithful to the Emperor's own person. The Guard is mostly recruited from the Norse and Russian adventurers, with a few Franks and Arabs rounding out the ranks.

863 - Having fought off most of his enemies, Lewis the Frank is now determined to crush Venetians once and for all. As he makes preparations for the greatest onslaught on Italy since the time of Attila, he has what seems to be a stroke, dying instantly. He is succeeded by a noble named Otto, who is more concerned about internal matters than expansion. A peace is quickly made, with Venetians recognizing Otto's Imperial title (which, they believe, is a pragmatic matter of letting a toddler have his toy and play with it without disturbing the adults), and Otto refuting claims to Imperial possessions.

864 - The Western Emperor Michael III dies, to be succeeded peacefully by his son as Constantine VII. Shortly after Constantine's succession, Basil III of the Eastern Empire takes as his second wife (due to his first wife's death) one of Constantine's younger sisters, attempting to strengthen the ties between the Empires. Of note is that by now, the relationship between the Empires could be best described as a strong alliance of two independent nations - not as simply two parts of the same nation.

866 - The conquest of much of Britain by the Norse is complete. In a meanwhile, a city-state of Kiev grows in power in Russia, subduing neighbouring towns and expanding into the steppe, where it came into conflict with the Khazars. The ensuing conflict is swift and brutal, with the tales of both heroism and atrocity rampant on both sides. Surprisingly, the Kievans emerge victorious, and force the Khazars to pay them tribute. While not noticed by older nations of Europe and Middle East, there is a new power in the making, with Imperial ambitions of its own.

Next installment - later on today or tomorrow.
 
Good installment- I like the "bombards" and the throwaway line towards the King of the Franks. How did cannon received it's name in OTL? Will it get that kooky name in TTL?

Also;
>A large factor in the Caliphate's success is the relative adaptability of the Islamic faith, and the concept that the religious bonds are more important than national or ethnic ones - in other words, anyone professing Islamic faith automatically qualifies for all benefits of citizenship, regardless of their national origin. Many of the lower-class and lower-caste Indians willingly convert to Islam, and join the ranks of an ever-growing Caliphate army.<
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So is this more or less a different variant of Islam that is less strict about gender differences? I know you highlighted the fact that the word 'Islam' is a placeholder for another name that you couldn't come up with but I'm just curious on the variances that make TTL's Islam different from OTL.

Also;

>The Venetians, grateful to be rid of their mortal enemy, are indifferent - in fact, an old Senator wryly commented that Lewis could call himself the Negusa Nagast of Axum for all he cares.<

I'm guessing there's contact with Axum by this time this reference comes to being. What does Negusa Nagast mean?
 
Midgardmetal, you know you could PM one of the Linguist Experts on the board to find a different name for your ATL religion If you really dislike calling it Islam.
 
G.Bone said:
Good installment- I like the "bombards" and the throwaway line towards the King of the Franks. How did cannon received it's name in OTL? Will it get that kooky name in TTL?

Accordingly to Wikipedia, "Cannon" derives from the Latin canna (a tube). Bombarde was early used for "cannon", but from the early 15th century came to refer only to the largest weapons. It probably would end up with the same name, at least for familiarity purposes, to create somewhat of a consistent presentation.

Also;
>A large factor in the Caliphate's success is the relative adaptability of the Islamic faith, and the concept that the religious bonds are more important than national or ethnic ones - in other words, anyone professing Islamic faith automatically qualifies for all benefits of citizenship, regardless of their national origin. Many of the lower-class and lower-caste Indians willingly convert to Islam, and join the ranks of an ever-growing Caliphate army.<
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So is this more or less a different variant of Islam that is less strict about gender differences? I know you highlighted the fact that the word 'Islam' is a placeholder for another name that you couldn't come up with but I'm just curious on the variances that make TTL's Islam different from OTL.

Actually it would have much less to do with gender differences, and more with the fact that the Caliphate does not see itself as "the master race" of sorts, destined to control the lesser peoples. The definition of one as a follower of Islam is more important than the definition of one as a member of a nation or ethnic group. In other words, an Indian or a Chinese Muslim are going to be treated no different than an Arabic or a Greek one, and both enjoy a relative equality under the laws of the Caliphate as far as taxation, ability to hold office, and serve in the army. The closest OTL model would be the Ottoman treatment of non-Muslims during XVIth century and beyond - the non-Muslims were penalized with respect to taxes and legal protection, but in order to get the protection or tax breaks, all they had to do was to convert to Islam, when they were considered full citizen, no matter what their national origin was.

As for the differences between the ATL and OTL Islam, the ATL Islam was created after the original Arab expansion, which was driven by prenascent nationalism. Thus, instead of giving national identity to a people of Arabia, it assumes a more pan-ethnic, pan-national view. There are a number of obvious differences - the significance of Mecca and Medina, for one, is not as big as it is in OTL, and the concept of the Holy City or Cities has never developed.

The ATL Islam is blatantly open about expanding through conquest (instead of few suras in the OTL Qu'ran that are frequently interpreted as supporting such), and is much less formalized than OTL Islam - for example, much of the dogma exists as an oral tradition, or a disparate set of writings. Thus, it does not have its Qu'ran - yet. I am envisioning down the line a kind of Islamic Justinian coming into play, and gathering all disparate writings of the holy men into a book summarizing tenets of religion, but that may not happen just yet.

Some of the main concepts of ATL Islam are indeed directly lifted from OTL one - that is, they are monotheists, and do not believe that a messiah could be born of God. One of its tenets is, just like in OTL one, that "God was not created, he always existed. He was not born nor gave birth", which directly implicates that a man could be divinely inspired, or a prophet, but could not claim to be a son of God - thus their denial of Christianity, and the main reason for religious hostility between the Christians and ATL Moslems.

With the above, it may seem that Islam in ATL is generally a bit weaker religion than in OTL, but what gives it strength is that it inherited a large empire to begin with, along with its social structure, a structure of government, and military. Thus, ATL Islam is essentially caesaropapism at its finest, when the religious and secular authority are in the hands of one man, taking the concept of its Athanasian predecessors (who believed in similar thing, but also accepted the godhood of Christ) one step further. Thus, much of it depends on the personal authority of the leader - being that the leader is either named by his predecessor, or elected by the ruling council, for the first two or three centuries Islam would generally be blessed with better leaders than they would get through normal hereditary succession process.

Also;

>The Venetians, grateful to be rid of their mortal enemy, are indifferent - in fact, an old Senator wryly commented that Lewis could call himself the Negusa Nagast of Axum for all he cares.<

I'm guessing there's contact with Axum by this time this reference comes to being. What does Negusa Nagast mean?

Negusa Nagast is an Axumite title meaning something along the lines of King Of Kings - pretty much Ethiopian term for an Emperor. The comment is actually bit of a rip on Romanus Lecapenus' response to Bulgar Tsar Samuel crowning himself "Emperor of Bulgars and Greeks" - in OTL he said that Samuel could call himself the Caliph of Baghdad if he wished. I figured out that bit was too good not to include :D

As for the contact with the Axumites, the Eastern Empire has been known to be in contact with them as early as the VIth century, possibly even earlier - however here, because "Islam" spreads in a different direction, one of the factors preventing their expansion and them becoming a major power is gone. What I was going for is trying to create a powerful African nation that will eventually build a continent-spanning empire - IMO the Axumites had all the right beginnings for it, but the rise of OTL Islam practically confined them to Ethiopia proper. In ATL, we could actually have Africa being dominated by an African power throughout most of its history, instead of being a relative backwater as far as the rest of OTL world was concerned, and consequently a plaything of Western powers.


Thank you for the comments, they are really appreciated!
 
Super55 said:
Midgardmetal, you know you could PM one of the Linguist Experts on the board to find a different name for your ATL religion If you really dislike calling it Islam.

I think I will do this, as the name just seems to confuse people who automatically think of OTL major religion.
 

Thande

Donor
You could always use an alternative OTL name for the religion which is currently not in common use, such as Mohammedism.
 
Thande said:
You could always use an alternative OTL name for the religion which is currently not in common use, such as Mohammedism.

True... of course Mohammedism would not work because Mohammed would have been butterflied away back in the VIIth century... so maybe something like Majidism (after its founder Majid)? I'll have to think a bit on this one... I am little wary of naming religions after their founders, as we already have Christianity, and in ATL its Athanasian version, but that may be the only reasonable choice unless someone with a knowledge of Arabic could suggest a better name.
 
Thanks for answering my questions. Maybe you should put the answers in sort of a FAQ on the TL. I eagerly await the next installment.

BTW- is a new map needed?
 
G.Bone said:
Thanks for answering my questions. Maybe you should put the answers in sort of a FAQ on the TL. I eagerly await the next installment.

BTW- is a new map needed?

Probably not yet, but within an update or so there will be major changes, so it will be needed within the next two updates. Thank you for your comments!
 
Land Of The Setting Sun

This update will focus more so on Europe and Russia, displaying some of the major trends that will shape the history of the continent in the future updates.

867 - A son of a Norse chief exiled from his land for murder sets sail West with a small group of followers. This expedition finds and settles in Iceland, an island to the northwest of the British Isles. Over the next decade, the word of a new land spreads out, and Norse immigration to Iceland increases.

868 - The Bulgar nation is entering a period of uncertainty as Tsar Simeon dies after only a two year reign, leaving no issue. The resulting anarchy polarizes the Bulgars into two factions, one supporting a prominent boyar (noble) named Krum, and another supporting Simeon's brother-in-law Boris. The Byzantines throw their support behind Boris, however, Krum has an ace up his sleeve - an alliance with Aquitaine, to whom he promises his support against both Eastern and Western Romans should he win. A third, unknown factor is represented by the Kievans, who are by now looking at the Bulgar lands with more and more interest.

869 - In the East, Byzantines are generally successful carving up portions of Caliphate's land, and restoring it to Byzantine dominion. As the Caliphate's attention is focused on India and China, no significant reprisals follow. In the West, the Franks are finally able to check the Norse expansion, thus directing it west rather than south.

871 - The Bulgar civil war is over, with the peace settlement brokered, by which Boris, the previous Tsar's brother-in-law is recognized as Tsar. Krum escapes to Aquitaine, where he continuously plots to restore his power in Bulgaria.

872 - The great canal connecting the Mediterranean and the Red Seas is finally completed, and the first vessel travels through it. The Byzantines immediately send exploration ships into the Red Sea, and beyond. In Aquitaine, a weak and easily manipulated Charles V inherits the throne, virtually ensuring no trouble for either Venetians or the Byzantines for most of his reign.

874 - Basil III dies in Constantinople, succeeded by his son as Andronicus III. Andronicus is ambitious, headstrong, and very popular within the military and commercial circles. It does not help much that when Constantine VII of the Western Empire falls ill and dies leaving only daughters, Andronicus decides to press his claim for the Western throne, something the Venetian senators would not have. The result is a civil war of magnitude not seen in many years, as the Western Senate elects a distinguished politician to the throne, who is crowned Claudius V.

875 - Most of the military engagements are naval in nature, and fail to produce major victories for either Andronicus or Claudius. In order to resolve the war once and for all, Andronicus entrusts a large army to a general named Leo Paleologus, which then marches through Illyria and Dalmatia towards Italy, defeating a Venetian army sent against him. However, when he reaches Venice, the lack of naval support makes it impossible to impose an effective blockade or to effectively besiege the city.

876 - Venetian task force manages to penetrate through the Adriatic, and lands in Epirus, capturing the island of Corfu and Durazzo. In Constantinople, this is seen as an affront to the ruling house, and only with great difficulty Andronicus III manages to restore order. In a meanwhile, despite the use of bombards, Venice holds out as Leo's troops ravage countryside in desperate attempts to sustain themselves.

877 - The Kievans attempt to raid Constantinople, sending a huge fleet against the Byzantine capital. They pillage monasteries and villas, and completely obliterate several small towns before an army hastily raised by Andronicus shows up. Instead of taking the battle, the Kievans, seeing easy opportunities for plunder exhausted, and finding Constantinople itself impregnable, load up back into the ships, and sail north. Andronicus' popularity, already damaged due to prolonged war, plummets to all-time low. Outside of Venice, hearing of the raid, the Byzantine army mutinies, raising Leo Paleologus on the shield as the Emperor. Venetian Senate and its Emperor are finding this turn of events to their liking, and offer Leo to recognize him as the rightful Emperor of the East and to assist him to obtain the throne. Leo V is quick to come to agreement.

878 - Finding all support for him evaporating, Andronicus III raises a mostly mercenary army of Khazars, Arabs, Russians, Bulgars, and just about anyone else he could find, while a forced conscription virtually depopulates parts of Thrace and Asia Minor. The expenses involved, combined with the effects of civil war, nearly bankrupt Byzantium. When the army marches to meet Leo in combat, the result is disastrous, as many mercenaries demand impossible increases to their pay, the increases Andronicus is willing to promise, but unable to pay. As a result, a large portion of the great army deserts, with many of the Bulgars and Greeks going to Leo's side.

879 - After a year of maneuvering, the much-diminished army of Andronicus III is soundly defeated, and the defeated Emperor flees for the relative safety of the capital. He is now prepared to meet at the negotiations table, offering Leo the rank of Caesar and the assumption that Leo would succeed after Andronicus' death. In either case, whatever Leo's reaction may have been, we may never know, as Andronicus is set upon and killed by a disgruntled palace guard only a week after arrival in the capital. Thus, Leo arrives to be properly crowned in Hagia Sophia as Leo V, beginning the Paleologus dynasty.

881 - A Norse ship wanders off course and in the process stumbles upon a large island. A ship's captain, the one Harald Thorfson, may not possess much navigational skills, but would, in fact, be considered a marketing expert in a different time. Even though the land is barely inhabitable outside of the immediate coastal area, he gives it a name of Greenland, founding a settlement there, which sees some immigration in the following years.

882 - In the far East, the faith of the Caliphate is by now very widespread among the Mongol tribes. While they refuse to acknowledge the secular authority of the Caliph, the part about spreading the faith by sword is, indeed, something the tribes are very enthusiastic about. Moreover, as all major tribes are now united in religion, the Mongols turn their eyes to the ancient empire that has been their sworn enemy for generations - China.

Next update - over the weekend, or Monday. :)
 
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