Assassination Attempts that you think should've succeeded

Somebody took a shot at Stalin around 1928. They missed and ignighted his paranoia.
No Stalin releases to many butterflies to count, virtually anything could happen
 
Dom Pedro II in 1889. Might have prevented the military coup which installed the Republic and completed the Brazilian army's transition from a national defense institution to a political corporation.
 
well I don't go around wishing people dead

and butterflies mean many well-meaning murders would go badly in the end

and as Tom Baker's Dr Who struggled with, the existence of evil can be beneficial in uniting the better side of human nature against them
 
Yer, with Hannibal Hamlin in the driving seat of the War and Reconstruction, i believe we would have a fair society in america for African Americans


Why?

Regardless of who is POTUS, the White South will still be dead set against Black rights, and most people in the North still won't give a hoot either way. When one side cares and the other doesn't, the outcome is predictable.
 

kernals12

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Why?

Regardless of who is POTUS, the White South will still be dead set against Black rights, and most people in the North still won't give a hoot either way. When one side cares and the other doesn't, the outcome is predictable.
Seizing the land of the big planters will destroy the influence of white supremacists.
 

Edward IX

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Queen Victoria being killed instead of (was it a member of the Cold Stream Guards?)slashing his arm with a sword.
 
Seizing the land of the big planters will destroy the influence of white supremacists.


Where do you find the slightest evidence for that?

When the planter class lost power toward the end of the century, the governments that replaced them , dominated by poorer whites, were if anything even more racist.

Indeed, quite a few planters, like Governor Alcorn of MS, at first supported the Republicans. They were mostly old Whigs, and on economic policies were closer to the GOP than to the Democrats, who both before and after the War were chiefly the party of the white "yeomanry".

Anyway, what evidence have you that Hamlin would have done so? OTL, as a US Senator in 1872, he joined with the vast majority of the Republicans in voting to lift most of the political disabilities imposed by Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. So he's unlikely to do anything really draconian.
 

kernals12

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Where do you find the slightest evidence for that?

When the planter class lost power toward the end of the century, the governments that replaced them , dominated by poorer whites, were if anything even more racist.

Indeed, quite a few planters, like Governor Alcorn of MS, at first supported the Republicans. They were mostly old Whigs, and on economic policies were closer to the GOP than to the Democrats, who both before and after the War were chiefly the party of the white "yeomanry".

Anyway, what evidence have you that Hamlin would have done so? OTL, as a US Senator in 1872, he joined with the vast majority of the Republicans in voting to lift most of the political disabilities imposed by Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. So he's unlikely to do anything really draconian.
If the land is then given to former slaves, they will have countervailing political power.
 
My favorite is Andronikos III at Pelekanon, if potential deaths in battle count.

Vladimir Lenin on August 30 1918
I'm not familiar with this one. Link?
Any of the assassination attempts against Hitler.
They were not all created equal. Anything after Bavaud or Elser is probably a net negative.
Timur the conqueror during his Mameluk campaign in Syria. Lots of people will be saved.
Massive butterflies here. Interesting. WAs there an assassination attempt, or might he have died in battle?
Somebody took a shot at Stalin around 1928. They missed and ignighted his paranoia.
No Stalin releases to many butterflies to count, virtually anything could happen
Yeah, but the differences between Stalin and other potential Soviet leaders from an ideological standpoint really were not all that great. Later on they are moreso, but not then.
Dom Pedro II in 1889. Might have prevented the military coup which installed the Republic and completed the Brazilian army's transition from a national defense institution to a political corporation.
Yeah, but the lack of male line heir might have not saved the monarchy. Yes, it could have passed to a daughter or to the son of a daughter, but I don't see it enduring at that point.
Seizing the land of the big planters will destroy the influence of white supremacists.
Or, it might have the opposite effect while also weakening the prospect for subsequent investment in the country.
 

kernals12

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Or, it might have the opposite effect while also weakening the prospect for subsequent investment in the country.
The land reforms in Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea didn't do that. By creating a class of black landowners, you are creating a base for progress.
 
The land reforms in Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea didn't do that. By creating a class of black landowners, you are creating a base for progress.
There is a difference between confiscating entire estates of everyone, and parceling out the lands of rebel leaders. Also, those three are exceptions very much shaped by the circumstances of the cold war.
 
If the land is then given to former slaves, they will have countervailing political power.

And what would be the life expectancy of any poor fool who accepted the seized land?

They could get away with it in odd corners like the Sea Islands, where the population was overwhelmingly Black - but anywhere else it would just result in a bullet in the back on some country road or other.

BTW, quite a lot of planters did lose their land, through default on taxes. But of course the land had to be sold, and very few Freedmen could afford it. Even a Radical State Government couldn't afford to just give it away. or a Federal Government with a war to pay for.
 
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