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Burai1992

If I could suggest what the Auto industry should be like ITTL, I think it should be like THIS (Taking pages from these guys: #1, #2, #3):

Daimler Group
Mercedes-Benz/Daimler Trucks (Est. 1886) (Europe)
Thomas (Est. 1916) (America)
Freightliner (Est. 1940) (America)
Setra (Est. 1951) (Europe)
Western Star (Est. 1967) (America)
Smart (Est. 1999) (Europe)

Stellantis
Peugeot (Est. 1889) (Europe)
Opel (Est. 1899) (Europe)
FIAT (Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino) (Est. 1899) (Europe)
Vauxhall (Est. 1903) (Europe)
Holden (Est. 1908) (Oceania)
Lancia (Est. 1908) (Europe)
Alfa Romeo (Est. 1910) (Europe)
Dodge (Est. 1914) (America)
Citroën (Est. 1919) (Europe)
Mitsubishi Motors (Est. 1919) (Japan)
Chrysler (Est. 1925) (America)
Maserati (Est. 1926) (Europe)
Plymouth (Est. 1928) (America)
Mitsubishi-Fuso Trucks & Buses (Est. 1931) (Japan)
Ferrari (Est. 1947) (Europe)
SEAT (Sociedad Española de Automóviles de Turismo) (Est. 1953) (Europe)
Lamborghini (Est. 1964) (Europe)

Renault-Packard-Saab Alliance
Renault (Est. 1899) (Europe)
Packard (Est. 1900) (America)
Scania (Est. 1903) (Europe)
Jeep (Est. 1945) (America)
Saab (Est. 1950) (Europe)
Hummer (Est. 1992) (America)

GM (General Motors)
Oldsmobile (Est. 1901) (America)
Cadillac (Est. 1903) (America)
Buick (Est. 1904) (America)
Chevrolet (Est. 1912) (America)
GMC (General Motors Company) (Est. 1912) (America)
Pontiac (Est. 1926) (America)
Lotus (Est. 1948) (Europe)
Saturn (Est. 1990) (America)

Ford-VW Alliance
Ford (Est. 1903) (America)
Audi (Est. 1910) (Europe)
MAN (Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nürnberg) (Est. 1915) (Europe)
Lincoln (Est. 1920) (America)
Aston Martin (Est. 1921) (Europe)
Neoplan (Est. 1935) (Europe)
VW (VolksWagen) (Est. 1938) (Europe)
Mercury (Est. 1939) (America)
Porsche (Est. 1939) (Europe)

BMW Group
Rolls-Royce (Est. 1905) (Europe)
Bentley (Est. 1921) (Europe)
BMW (Bayerische Motoren Werke) (Est. 1923) (Europe)

Volvo Group
Mack Trucks (Est. 1905) (America)
Volvo (Est. 1927) (Europe)

Toyota
Hino (Est. 1918) (Japan)
Daihatsu (Est. 1931) (Japan)
Toyota (Est. 1936) (Japan)
Lexus (Est. 1989) (America/Japan)

Nissan
Nissan (Est. 1932) (Japan)
Nissan-Diesel (Est. 1940) (Japan)
Infiniti (Est. 1990) (China/America/Japan)

Hyundai-Kia
Kia (Est. 1945) (Korea)
Hyundai (Est. 1968) (Korea)

Honda
Honda (Est. 1949) (Japan)
Acura (Est. 1986) (America/Japan)


A list of things that happened ITTL's auto industry:
* Ford forming an official alliance with Volkswagen (instead of Ernest R. Breech desperately wanting to merge Volkswagen into Ford) in 1948 (With the added bonus of Ford/Lincoln/Mercury downsizing their cars ever since the birth of their official alliance with Volkswagen in 1948). And Ford never selling it's controlling interests in the European businesses to Ford Dearborn in 1950 (With the added bonus of Ford Britain, Ford Ireland, Ford Germany, Ford France, Ford Italy, and Ford Netherlands integrating with each other to form "Ford Europe" in 1950 instead of 1967. As well as Ford having the privilege to market the Lincoln brand over in Europe and the European colonies to compete against Mercedes-Benz).
* Hudson and Nash's plans to make Packard and Studebaker officially become a part of AMC (American Motors Corporation) becoming a success (with Hudson and Nash merging together into one singular brand known as "AMC (American Motors Corporation)" in 1954, AMC completely turning Packard into a serious competitor against Cadillac and Mercedes-Benz, and AMC completely turning Studebaker into a serious competitor against Buick). And Renault forming an official alliance with AMC in 1960 instead of 1979 (With the added bonuses of AMC/Packard/Studebaker downsizing their cars ever since the birth of their official alliance with Renault in 1960, Renault having the privilege to market the AMC brand's entire model line-up over in Europe and the European colonies under the Renault marque, and Renault having the privilege to market the Packard brand and the Jeep brand over in Europe and the European colonies with Renault using Packard to compete against Mercedes-Benz, and Renault using Jeep to compete against Land Rover).
* Peugeot and Citroën merging together to become "Peugeot-Citroën" as part of industrial re-organizations post-war (Instead of during the Oil Crisis of 1973–1974) (With Citroën saleing Berliet to Peugeot's arch-rival Renault due to Peugeot never being interested in heavy commercial vehicles). The Borgward Group (Borgward/Lloyd/Goliath) getting officially acquired by Dodge-Chrysler in 1960 (Which later lead to the Borgward Group getting completely taken-over by Rootes-Simca/Chrysler Europe in 1963). International-Harvester getting bought by Dodge-Chrysler in 1966 (Because hey! Seeing how International-Harvester's Latin American divisions got bought by Dodge-Chrysler in 1966. Why not complete the prophecy by making International-Harvester themselves get completely bought by Dodge-Chrysler?). Peugeot-Citroën forming an official alliance with Dodge-Chrysler (appropriately named the "PSA-Chrysler Alliance") in 1970. And the FIAT Group (FIAT/Lancia/Alfa Romeo/Ferrari/SEAT) officially becoming a part of the PSA-Chrysler Alliance (Peugeot-Citroën's official alliance with Dodge-Chrysler) in 1978 (Instead of the FIAT Group (FIAT/Lancia/Alfa Romeo/Ferrari/SEAT) forming an official partnership with Saab-Scania in 1978).
* Mack Trucks becoming an official subsidiarity of Volvo during the Oil Crisis of 1973–1974. The Saab-Scania Group (Saab Aircraft/Saab Automobile/Scania) getting bought by AMC-Renault in 1977 (Instead of Volvo desperately trying to combine operations with it's arch-rival Saab-Scania in 1977) (Because let's be perfectly honest, Saab getting bought by General Motors was what lead to the death of Saab as we knew it). And Volvo never selling it's entire passenger car line-up to Ford, as Volvo was much more dedicated to being Scandinavia's answer to Mercedes-Benz/Daimler Trucks by concentrating on both luxury cars AND commercial vehicles (Because let's be perfectly honest, Volvo selling it's entire passenger car line-up to Ford was what lead to the death of Volvo as we knew it).
* Georges Besse thankfully never getting assassinated by Action Directe (which eventually lead to Renault completely buying up the remaining shares of AMC (American Motors Corporation), resulting in AMC to get officially renamed as "Renault USA" as well as Packard and Jeep becoming official subsidiaries of Renault).
* The Eastern-Bloc countries' auto manufacturers who had partnerships with the Western-Bloc countries' auto manufacturers getting completely taken-over and destroyed by the Western-Bloc countries' auto manufacturers during the end of the Cold War and the Democratization of Central and Eastern Europe, with the following events:
** FSM (Fabryka Samochodów Małolitrażowych), FSO (Fabryka Samochodów Osobowych), and AvtoVAZ/Lada getting completely taken-over and destroyed by FIAT (with FSM, FSO, and AvtoVAZ/Lada's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the FIAT marque).
** EMW (Eisenacher Motoren-Werk)/Wartburg getting completely taken-over and destroyed by BMW (with EMW/Wartburg's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the BMW marque).
** Sachsenring/Trabant getting completely taken-over and destroyed by Audi (with Sachsenring/Trabant's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the Audi marque).
** Barkas getting completely taken-over and destroyed by Volkswagen (with Barkas' entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the Volkswagen marque).
** IMV (Industrija Motornih Vozil), ARO (Auto Romania), and UAP (Uzina de Autoturisme Pitești)/Dacia getting completely taken-over and destroyed by Renault (with IMV, ARO, and UAP/Dacia's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the Renault marque).
** Tomos/Cimos and Oltcit getting completely taken-over and destroyed by Citroën (with Tomos/Cimos and Oltcit's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the Citroën marque).
* Renault's plans to merge Škoda into Renault becoming a success (with Škoda's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the Renault marque).
* Rolls-Royce and Bentley getting sold to BMW instead of Volkswagen in 1998.
* Edsel (which tragically died in 1960) getting completely merged into Mercury (with the Edsel brand's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the Mercury marque). And Merkur (which tragically died in 1989) and Mercury (which tragically died in 2011) getting completely merged into Lincoln (with the Merkur brand and the Mercury brand's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the Lincoln marque).
* Studebaker (which tragically died in 1967) getting completely merged into Packard (with the Studebaker brand's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the Packard marque).
* Imperial (which tragically died in 1983) and Plymouth (which tragically died in 2001) getting completely merged into Chrysler (with the Imperial brand and the Plymouth brand's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the Chrysler marque).
* Oldsmobile (which tragically died in 2004) getting completely merged into Buick (with the Oldsmobile brand's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the Buick marque). And Pontiac (which tragically died in 2010) getting completely merged into Chevrolet (with the Pontiac brand's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the Chevrolet marque).
* General Motors successfully saleing Saturn (which tragically died in 2009) to Renault (with Saturn's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the Renault marque).
* Hummer (which tragically died in 2010) getting completely merged into Jeep (with the Hummer brand's entire model line-up, engines, staff, car designers, engineers, and car factories officially getting completely rebranded under the Jeep marque).
 
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Otakuninja2006

Otakuninja2006

Otakuninja2006 said:
Oof......

I think this should call for a whole story?

Why? Just curious.

Why??? BTW, How is G4 doing as of 2004? Does it have some gaming cartoons or Anime Unleashed?

1: Why Jetix?
2: If you can make Jetix a mix of all forms of animation like the Latin American and European versions did IOTL, then a lot more power.
3: Is it possible for this to be on basic cable?
4: Does Nexus still exist with the same plan? I think by 2004, it would have been too late for Gundam Wing, Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop and Yu Yu Hakusho to premiere on American TV ITTL.
5: May I suggest a few programming ideas?

Oof....

Ok. That's good
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Hello????
 

OldNavy1988

TheFaultsofAlts said:
1: Now that we know that detail, is it not too late for Gus St. Pierre to get some sort of Terminator role? Because if so, I'd recommend a gender-flipped T-1000 as an F U to his mother. Because nothing says "Terminator" like the proto-Karen that squashed his career for a few years.
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Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles or Terminator Salvation should be right around the corner for Gus.

QTXAdsy said:
Are we getting Starlight Express soon?
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Yes we are. It'll replace Shark Tale in the DreamWorks pipeline.
 

OldNavy1988

@Burai1992

In fact, here's a list of automakers I compiled for June 1999 ITTL:

Ford Motor Company
Ford
Lincoln
Mercury
Jaguar
Land Rover
Volvo

General Motors
Chevrolet
GMC
Cadillac
Buick
Pontiac
Oldsmobile
Saturn
Geo
Holden
Hummer

Jeep DeLorean
Jeep
DeLorean
Eagle
Subaru

Chrysler
Chrysler
Plymouth
Dodge

Diamler
Mercedes-Benz

Nissan
Nissan
Infiniti
Datsun

Toyota
Toyota
Lexus
Daihatsu

Hyundai
Hyundai
Kia

Peugeot
Peugeot
Citroen
Opel
Vauxhall

Volkswagen
VW
Audi
Lamborghini
Skoda
Bentley
Porsche
Bugatti

BMW Group
BMW
Rolls Royce

Honda
Honda
Acura

Fiat
Fiat
Maserati
Alfa Romeo
Lancia

Renault-Mitsubishi
Renault
Mitsubishi
Suzuki
 

Burai1992

OldNavy1988 said:
@Burai1992

In fact, here's a list of automakers I compiled for June 1999 ITTL:

Ford Motor Company
Ford
Lincoln
Mercury
Jaguar
Land Rover
Volvo

General Motors
Chevrolet
GMC
Cadillac
Buick
Pontiac
Oldsmobile
Saturn
Geo
Holden
Hummer

Jeep DeLorean
Jeep
DeLorean
Eagle
Subaru

Chrysler
Chrysler
Plymouth
Dodge

Diamler
Mercedes-Benz

Nissan
Nissan
Infiniti
Datsun

Toyota
Toyota
Lexus
Daihatsu

Hyundai
Hyundai
Kia

Peugeot
Peugeot
Citroen
Opel
Vauxhall

Volkswagen
VW
Audi
Lamborghini
Skoda
Bentley
Porsche
Bugatti

BMW Group
BMW
Rolls Royce

Honda
Honda
Acura

Fiat
Fiat
Maserati
Alfa Romeo
Lancia

Renault-Mitsubishi
Renault
Mitsubishi
Suzuki
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>GM losing Opel/Vauxhall to Peugeot-Citroen in the 1990s instead of 2017
How did that happen exactly?

>Renault-Mitsubishi Alliance instead of the Chrysler-Mitsubishi Alliance
Let me guess, Mitsubishi ITTL choose to form an official alliance/partnership with Renault instead of Dodge-Chrysler back in 1970 did they?

>American Motors had already merged with DeLorean to form Jeep-DeLorean
For me, I would much rather have Renault completely buy the remaining shares American Motors, resulting in American Motors to get officially renamed as "Renault USA", and Jeep, Eagle Motors, and DeLorean to officially become a part of the Renault-Mitsubishi Alliance.
 
Entertainment News for March 2004
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    • OldNavy1988

    Entertainment News for Early March 2004

    Joe Don Robbins (Retired New Orleans police officer)
    "Yes, I tazed the Terminator, but it haunts me to this day. But what made that situation worse were the tears in Gus's eyes as Bridgette dragged him out of the Holiday Inn lobby while a few of my fellow officers tried to restrain Schwarzenegger on the rug."
    - Interview with the New Orleans Times-Picayune.

    Cameras roll on Paramount's live action Thundercats film with Jonathan Frakes on the director's chair.
    - Variety

    John Hendricks (Discovery Channel founder)
    "Today, I am proud to announce the sale of Discovery Communications to CBS for $5 billion USD. This transaction promises to ensure a long, sustainable future for everyone involved."
    - The Washington Post

    Warner Bros. chairman Richard Donner announces he will retire in 2005 with Carolco co-founder Mario Kassar handpicked as his successor.
    - The Hollywood Reporter

    In politics, President Weinstein officially launches his re-election campaign.
    - PBS NewsHour

    Universal's proposed Fantastic Realms park slated for Orlando will be put on hold while new studio chiefs Kevin Feige and Gale Anne Hurd work to stabilize Universal's finances.
    - The Orlando Sentinel

    The Sports Page
    The NHL TV package in the United States is once again up for renewal. SBC (Saban) hopes to retain its Wednesday Night rights. Meanwhile, ESPN (Henson) finds itself in a bidding war with the USA Network (MCA Holdings), FX (Disney), Freeform (TimeWarner), SpikeTV (Peacock) and Turner for the cable rights. Fox (Disney) hopes to retain the weekend afternoon rights but must contend with NBC (Peacock), CBS, ABC (Henson) and UPN (Microsoft) in what promises to be another bitter bidding war.
    - The Hockey News

    NFL TV deals up for renewal for '06 (SportsCenter segment anchored by Trey Wingo)
    Another league whose TV package is up for renewal is the NFL. Currently, SBC holds the AFC rights, CBS carries the NFC, Sunday Nights on Fox, and of course, Monday Night Football on ABC. With each current network hoping to retain their current, respective rights, there are plenty of opponents hoping to intercept. What makes this contract renewal different this time? Eight late-season Thursday night games with a few others on Saturday afternoons in December are up for grabs. The new contract will take effect beginning with the 2006 season.

    NFC Bids: CBS (Current), Fox, UPN, NBC, ABC
    AFC Bids: SBC (Current), Fox, UPN, NBC, ABC
    Sunday Nights: Fox (Current), ESPN, FX, NBC, UPN, Freeform, Spike, USA, TNT
    Monday Nights: ABC (Current), ESPN, FX, NBC, UPN, Freeform, Spike, USA, TNT

    Super Bowls up for grabs: 31 (2007), 32 (2008), 33 (2009), 34 (2010), 35 (2011)
     
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    • TheFaultsofAlts

    OldNavy1988 said:
    Joe Don Robbins (Retired New Orleans police officer)
    "Yes, I tazed the Terminator, but it haunts me to this day. But what made that situation worse were the tears in Gus's eyes as Bridgette dragged him out of the Holiday Inn lobby while a few of my fellow officers tried to restrain Schwarzenegger on the rug."
    - Interview with the New Orleans Times-Picayune.

    Cameras roll on Paramount's live action Thundercats film with Jonathan Frakes on the director's chair.
    - Variety

    John Hendricks (Discovery Channel founder)
    "Today, I am proud to announce the sale of Discovery Communications to CBS for $5 billion USD. This transaction promises to ensure a long, sustainable future for everyone involved."
    - The Washington Post

    Warner Bros. chairman Richard Donner announces he will retire in 2005 with Carolco co-founder Mario Kassar handpicked as his successor.
    - The Hollywood Reporter

    In politics, President Weinstein officially launches his re-election campaign.
    - PBS NewsHour

    Universal's proposed Fantastic Realms park slated for Orlando will be put on hold while new studio chiefs Kevin Feige and Gale Anne Hurd work to stabilize Universal's finances.
    - The Orlando Sentinel

    The Sports Page
    The NHL TV package in the United States is once again up for renewal. SBC (Saban) hopes to retain its Wednesday Night rights. Meanwhile, ESPN (Henson) finds itself in a bidding war with the USA Network (MCA Holdings), FX (Disney), Freeform (TimeWarner), SpikeTV (Peacock) and Turner for the cable rights. Fox (Disney) hopes to retain the weekend afternoon rights but must contend with NBC (Peacock), CBS, ABC (Henson) and UPN (Microsoft) in what promises to be another bitter bidding war.
    - The Hockey News

    NFL TV deals up for renewal for '06 (SportsCenter segment anchored by Trey Wingo)
    Another league whose TV package is up for renewal is the NFL. Currently, SBC holds the AFC rights, CBS carries the NFC, Sunday Nights on Fox, and of course, Monday Night Football on ABC. With each current network hoping to retain their current, respective rights, there are plenty of opponents hoping to intercept. What makes this contract renewal different this time? Eight late-season Thursday night games with a few others on Saturday afternoons in December are up for grabs. The new contract will take effect beginning with the 2006 season.

    NFC Bids: CBS (Current), Fox, UPN, NBC, ABC
    AFC Bids: SBC (Current), Fox, UPN, NBC, ABC
    Sunday Nights: Fox (Current), ESPN, FX, NBC, UPN, Freeform, Spike, USA, TNT
    Monday Nights: ABC (Current), ESPN, FX, NBC, UPN, Freeform, Spike, USA, TNT

    Super Bowls up for grabs: 31 (2007), 32 (2008), 33 (2009), 34 (2010), 25 (2011)
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    1: Great. More sad news on the Terminator franchise.
    2: Cool.
    3: I did not expect to see that.
    4: Good choice for the hand picking.
    5: I actually want Harvey Weinstein to get a second term as president, and that is a sentence I feel dirty for saying from the outside looking in.
    6: Sounds good to me.
    7: I'd let SBC keep their Wed Night right. Meanwhile, Freeform should get the cable rights, while Fox keeps the weekend afternoon rights.
    8: With Fox having Sunday Night football already, is The Wonderful World of Disney still on a regular timeslot on the network?
    9: Finally, I'd want to see Fox get Super Bowl 31.
     
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