As Dreamers Do Part Deux

[TrevorFromStarWars]

Please stop.

Who?

 

[drporter357]

Who?

who?

 

[drporter357]

who?

It can't be me i've been on my best behaviour

 

[OldNavy1988]

So, to clarify, we still have Saved by the Bell, Super Mario, and Transformers at the Universal Parks, and the Power Rangers and Terminator would be coming in around five years time.

Does Disney have any third-party licenses for their theme parks? If not, they might want to step up in that department. Or not, it's your choice.

That is correct. Universal also has the North American rights to Godzilla as part of RKO's third party partnership, coupled with RKO's parent company Peacock now being part of the MCA consortium.

Disney does have a few third party partners already. Britt Allcroft is one of them. As is Tribune Media who own the Dick Tracy character. Plus Mirage Studios because Disney let Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird each continue to have final say on TMNT projects since April of '89. That might change because Laird would have to sell his stake in the TMNT if, for instance, CBS Discovery wanted to hire him to run DC Comics, or if MCA wanted someone new for Archie/Gemini or TimeWarner needed someone to head WB Comics (Formerly Warner-Pacific). Or perhaps if Bill Gates needed someone to put in charge of Paramount Comics (Formerly EC/Quality). Kevin Eastman, the other Turtle co-creator, has been head of Marvel since '98 ITTL.

 

[OldNavy1988]

Theme Park IP Chart as of 2004
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Chain	Parks	Primary IP's	Third Party
Walt Disney Parks and Resorts	Disneyland Park (Anaheim, CA) Nara Disneyland Tokyo Disney World Disney's American Adventure (Tokyo) Riverfront Square (St. Louis, MO) Magic Kingdom (Orlando, FL) EPCOT Center (Orlando, FL) Disney-Fox Studios (Orlando, FL) Epic Kingdom (Anaheim, CA) Sydney Disneyland Hong Kong Disneyland (Opening in 2006)	Walt Disney Pictures 20th Century-Fox Atari Marvel Harvey	Mirage Studios (TMNT) Tribune Media (Dick Tracy) Amblin Entertainment (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Roger Rabbit) Britt Allcroft (Thomas the Tank Engine) Legendary (Carmen Sandiego) MJJ Productions (Captain EO) K-BAHN, LLC (Backstreet Project/Cyber Crusaders) Tee & Charles Addams Foundation
Universal Recreational	Universal Studios Hollywood Universal Studios Florida (Orlando, FL) Islands of Adventure (Orlando, FL) Fantastic Realms (Orlando, FL; Opening in 2010) Universal Studios London (Former Battersea power plant) Universal Studios Japan (Osaka) Universal Studios Australia (Gold Coast, Queensland; Opening in 2008)	Universal Pictures Archie Comics Gemini Comics	RKO Radio Pictures Toho Co., Ltd. Hasbro, Inc. Nintendo of America Apple Corps (Yellow Submarine) DreamWorks SKG Dr. Seuss Enterprises New Line Cinema (Starting in 2010)
Bally's, Inc.	Bally's Chicagoland (Chicago, IL) Bally's Magic Mountain Bally's Circus World Bally's Worlds of Wonder (Las Vegas and Glasgow) Bally's Cowboy Corral Bally's Worlds of Fun and Oceans of Fun (Kansas City, MO) Bally's Kentucky Kingdom Bally's Old Chicago (Indoor park) Bally's Elitch Gardens (Denver, CO) Bally's Great Escape (Queensbury, NY)	Hollywood Pictures Midway Games Bullwinkle Studios Namco	Paws, Inc. Dark Horse Comics Feld Entertainment Premavision Formerly: New Line Cinema (1994-2010)
Turner Leisure	MGM Grand Adventure Park (Las Vegas, Nevada) Geauga Lake (Aurora, OH) Darien Lake (Darien, NY) Frontier City, (Oklahoma City, OK) Riverside Park (Agawam, MA) Enchanted Village (Federal Way, WA) Great America (Santa Clara, CA) Great Adventure (Jackson, NJ)	United Artists Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Cartoon Network	King Features Syndicate (Popeye)
Cedar Fair (TimeWarner)	Knott's Berry Farm Cedar Point Valleyfair Dorney Park Opryland (Nashville, TN; Currently being rebuilt as an indoor park) Kennywood	Warner Bros.
Six Kings	Six Flags Hollywood Park (Inglewood, CA) Kings Island Kings Dominion Six Flags Over Texas Six Flags Over Georgia Astroworld Kings Fiesta (San Antonio, TX)	Columbia-TriStar Hanna-Barbera Nickelodeon Pixar DC Comics Discovery Channel
Microsoft Leisure	Paramount Pinnacle (Carson, CA) Dollywood (Pigeon Forge, TN) Silver Dollar City (Branson, MO) Silverwood (Spokane, WA)	Paramount Pictures Rankin-Bass Paramount Comics SEGA	Carolco Aardman Bagdasarian BBC Formerly: New Line Cinema (1995-2010)

Existing IP's available for license
Rainbow Brite (Hallmark)
Berenstain Bears (Random House)
Peanuts (United Feature Syndicate)

Companies looking to partner up
Lionsgate
Mattel
Blockbuster (Parent company of Netflix ITTL)

If there's any existing IP's that the majors don't have that fell out of my radar please let me know. Also, if there are any other companies looking to partner up that I don't know about, let me know about that too. Thanks.

 

[drporter357]

@OldNavy1988 Can Daniel Abbott narrate this hopefuly not to obsucre

 

[OldNavy1988]

@OldNavy1988 Can Daniel Abbott narrate this hopefuly not to obsucre

He could, but it's likely to fit on a preschool block on The Disney Channel.

 

[kirbopher15]

He could, but it's likely to fit on a preschool block on The Disney Channel.

Or Disney junior and might I suggest George Harrison as a co narrator

 

[OldNavy1988]

Or Disney junior and might I suggest George Harrison as a co narrator

True.

 

[OldNavy1988]

Any questions before we get to Superman Triumphant?

 

[CeruleanDev]

I know I've asked this before, but what can we expect?

 

[OldNavy1988]

Superman Triumphant
Released by Columbia Pictures on July 16, 2004

Directed by
Tim Burton

Screenplay by
Duane Capizzi
Kevin Smith
Simon Kinberg

Executive Producers
Benjamin Melniker
Michael E. Uslan

Cast
Nicolas Cage as Superman/Clark Kent
Courtney Cox as Lois Lane
Freddie Prinze, Jr. as Jimmy Olsen
Danny Glover as Perry White
Arnold Schwarzenegger as Doomsday
Helena Bonham Carter as Mercy Graves
Mike Myers as Toyman
Tom Kenny as the voice of The Robot

Notes
- The storyline is closer to the OTL straight to DVD version of Superman: Doomsday.
- Nicolas Cage shot his scenes for this film with only a month of rest before starting principal photography on National Treasure, which Disney will release on Thanksgiving.​

 

[WB18]

Any news on the WLAF expansion?

 

[OldNavy1988]

Any news on the WLAF expansion?

First off, that big caravan of moving trucks on Interstate 10 is the Wranglers' equipment trucks pulling up to Tucson to greet Mayor Walkup and a crowd of 13,000 in a big Welcome Back ceremony.

As for expansion, the WLAF will expand from 24 to 30 teams and split into three conferences; European, Atlantic and Pacific.

Pacific
Coastal: Oakland Condors, Portland Breakers, Los Angeles Avengers, Spokane Steelheads, Vancouver Orcas
Mountain (or Frontier?): Mexico City Luchadores, San Antonio Texans, Oklahoma Outlaws, Arizona (Returning from Las Vegas) Wranglers

Possible Pacific Conference expansion cities:
- Salt Lake City, Utah (Potential owner: Dave Checketts or Larry Miller)
- Fargo, ND
- Albuquerque, NM (Too close to Arizona?)
- El Paso, TX
- Austin, TX
- Omaha, NE
- Boise, ID

Atlantic
Central: Chicago Blitz, Birmingham Maulers, Memphis Pharaohs, St. Louis Stallions
Metropolitan (or Seaboard?): Philadelphia Stars, Toronto Huskies, Baltimore Ravens, Hartford Knights
Depending on where the expansion team lands, the Orlando Thunder could shift to either the Central or Metropolitan. OR, a generic North/South alignment could be implemented.

Possible Atlantic Conference expansion cities:
- Richmond, VA (or Norfolk)
- San Juan, Puerto Rico
- Raleigh, NC
- Columbus, OH
- Louisville, KY
- Milwaukee, WI
- Windsor, Canada

European
Division A: Amsterdam Admirals, Frankfurt Galaxy, Rhein Fire
Division B: Barcelona Dragons, London Monarchs, Scottish Claymores
Note: Depending on where the European expansion teams land, the existing teams listed above are subject to be rearranged.

Possible European Conference division names: Capitol, Metropolitan, Isles (if expansion is UK-heavy)

Possible European Conference expansion cities with four slots up for grabs:
- Stockholm, Sweden (Possible team name: Kraken)
- Berlin, Germany
- Hamburg, Germany
- Rome, Italy
- Dublin, Ireland
- Paris, France
- Milan, Italy
- Manchester, England
- Brussels, Belgium
- Cardiff, Wales
- Zurich, Switzerland

 

[Ian78657]

So when is Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story going to be released.

 

[OldNavy1988]

So when is Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story going to be released.

Fourth quarter of 2005.

 

[Ian78657]

So National Treasure is released on Thanksgiving. Huh?

 

[WB18]

First off, that big caravan of moving trucks on Interstate 10 is the Wranglers' equipment trucks pulling up to Tucson to greet Mayor Walkup and a crowd of 13,000 in a big Welcome Back ceremony.

As for expansion, the WLAF will expand from 24 to 30 teams and split into three conferences; European, Atlantic and Pacific.

Pacific
Coastal: Oakland Condors, Portland Breakers, Los Angeles Avengers, Spokane Steelheads, Vancouver Orcas
Mountain (or Frontier?): Mexico City Luchadores, San Antonio Texans, Oklahoma Outlaws, Arizona (Returning from Las Vegas) Wranglers

Possible Pacific Conference expansion cities:
- Salt Lake City, Utah (Potential owner: Dave Checketts or Larry Miller)
- Fargo, ND
- Albuquerque, NM (Too close to Arizona?)
- El Paso, TX
- Austin, TX
- Omaha, NE
- Boise, ID

Atlantic
Central: Chicago Blitz, Birmingham Maulers, Memphis Pharaohs, St. Louis Stallions
Metropolitan (or Seaboard?): Philadelphia Stars, Toronto Huskies, Baltimore Ravens, Hartford Knights
Depending on where the expansion team lands, the Orlando Thunder could shift to either the Central or Metropolitan. OR, a generic North/South alignment could be implemented.

Possible Atlantic Conference expansion cities:
- Richmond, VA (or Norfolk)
- San Juan, Puerto Rico
- Raleigh, NC
- Columbus, OH
- Louisville, KY
- Milwaukee, WI
- Windsor, Canada

European
Division A: Amsterdam Admirals, Frankfurt Galaxy, Rhein Fire
Division B: Barcelona Dragons, London Monarchs, Scottish Claymores
Note: Depending on where the European expansion teams land, the existing teams listed above are subject to be rearranged.

Possible European Conference division names: Capitol, Metropolitan, Isles (if expansion is UK-heavy)

Possible European Conference expansion cities with four slots up for grabs:
- Stockholm, Sweden (Possible team name: Kraken)
- Berlin, Germany
- Hamburg, Germany
- Rome, Italy
- Dublin, Ireland
- Paris, France
- Milan, Italy
- Manchester, England
- Brussels, Belgium
- Cardiff, Wales
- Zurich, Switzerland

I’d go with Salt Lake City for the Pacific Conference expansion, seems like a natural fit. Fargo seems to be too small of a market, ABQ might be to close to Arizona, El Paso and Austin would be good spots, but I just can’t see two Texas teams. Omaha would be a good place for a team, but the stadium situation is not ideal and Boise is likely to close to Spokane. Go with Frontier rather than mountain as well.

For the East, go with either Columbus or Louisville since the Midwest seems to lacking in franchises. Any East Coast City (Raleigh, San Juan, Richmond/Norfolk) would mean Orlando goes to the Central and that just is weird to me. Milwaukee does not have an ideal Stadium and Windsor is just too close to Detroit and I think the city doesn’t have a suitable stadium.

The European I could see going with two German cities in Hamburg and Berlin along with Paris and maybe Rome or Milan but take your pick.

 

[OldNavy1988]

Sports Media Rights as of 2004

MLB thru 2006
Sunday Nights and Select Weeknights: ESPN
Saturday Afternoons: Fox
Playoffs: Split between Henson and Disney-owned networks (ABC, ESPN, FX, VH1)
World Series: Fox
All Star Game: Fox
Atlanta Hammers: TBS
Chicago Cubs: WGN

MLB: 2006 thru '13 Bids
Sunday and Wednesday Night Bids: ESPN, USA Network, Spike, The Hub, TBS
Saturday Afternoons: Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, UPN, MyTV
Playoffs (Likely to be split between two partners): Bally (Hub/MyTV), Turner (TBS/TNT/MTV), Disney (Fox/FX/FSN), Henson (ESPN/ABC), Joint bid by MCA and Peacock (NBC/USA Network/Spike)
World Series: Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, UPN, MyTV
All Star Game: Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, UPN, MyTV

NFL 2006 thru '11 (All current partners extended their existing deals with USA Network joining in '06)
NFC: CBS (Theme: "Posthumous Zone")
AFC: SBC (Theme: Wide Receiver by John Williams, used by NBC IOTL)
Sunday Nights: Fox (Theme: OTL theme by Scott Schreer)
Monday Nights: ABC (Theme: "Heavy Action")
Thursday Nights: USA Network (Theme: "Run to the Playoffs" by David Robidoux)

NBA 2002 thru '09 Finals
Tuesday and Thursday Nights: TNT
Wednesday and Friday Nights: ESPN
Weekend Afternoons: ABC
Christmas Day: Split between Henson and Turner networks
Playoffs: ABC, ESPN and TNT
All Star Weekend: TNT
Finals: ABC

NHL 2004 thru '10
Wednesday Nights: SBC
Other weeknights: ESPN
Weekend Afternoons: NBC
All Star Weekend: NBC in odd-number years, SBC in even-number years
Prince of Wales Conference Finals: ESPN
Clarence Campbell Conference Finals: NBC

WLAF 2004 thru '07
Afternoons: NBC (Theme: Randy Edelman's music used for NBC's NFL games from 1995 thru '97 IOTL) [LINK]
Primetime games: USA Network (Theme: Same music used from 1991 thru '92 IOTL) [LINK]
Playoffs and World Bowl: NBC
Pan-European rights: Eurosport (Now owned by CBS Discovery)
British TV rights: Channel 4

World League on NBC Doubleheaders:
1 PM Eastern
- European rivalry games (IE: Admirals vs. Monarchs or Galaxy vs. Fire)
- Games in which a North American team is visiting a European team.

4:30 Eastern/1:30 Pacific
- Games in which a European team is visiting a North American team.
- North American rivalry games (IE: Ravens vs. Stars or Avengers vs. Condors)

NBC's official logo for its WLAF coverage is the Peacock acting as a helmet decal in the WLAF's globe-and-helmet logo.

 

[OldNavy1988]

Sports Media Rights as of 2004
Part 2

Arena Football League: The Hub and MyTV

CFL
US Rights: ESPN 2
Canadian Rights: TSN

International Hockey League
Weekend Afternoons: CBS
Weeknights: The Hub

NASCAR
Daytona 500: Fox in odd numbered years, CBS in even numbered years.
All other races rotate between Fox, CBS and ESPN

College Football starting in 2006
ABC: Pac 10, Big XII and Big 10
CBS: SEC
Fox: Big East and Conference USA
UPN: MAC, WAC and Mountain West
HBCU's: Split between BET and MyTV
FCS: Split between ESPN 2 and FSN
Notre Dame: SBC
Army/Navy Game: CBS
Rose Bowl: ABC
Other BCS/Postseason games: Split between ESPN and SBC

NFL Broadcast pairings
CBS
Studio (The NFL Today): Rich Eisen, Shannon Sharpe and Ahmad Rashad

Play by Play:
Greg Gumbel and Dan Dierdorf
Jim Nantz and Phil Simms
Verne Lundquist and Gary Danielson
Bill Macatee and Dan Marino
Don Criqui and Beasley Reece
Dick Stockton and Matt Millen
Kenny Albert and Tim Green
Ian Eagle and Dan Fouts

Sidelines:
Bonnie Bernstein
Armen Keteyian

SBC
Studio (NFL Live!): Dave Marash and Len Dawson

Play by Play:
Gus Johnson and Steve Tasker
Kevin Harlan and Jerry Glanville
Mike "Doc" Emrick and Bob Griese
Dick Enberg and Todd Christensen
Eli Gold and Jim Mora, Sr.
Ray Bentley and Ron Pitts
Curt Menifee and Neil O'Donnell
Josh Lewin and John Dockery

Sidelines:
Michele Tafoya

Fox
Studio: James Brown, Terry Bradshaw, Howie Long and Tony Siragusa
Booth: Matt Vasgersian and Cris Carter
Sidelines: Pam Oliver

ABC:
Studio (Monday Night Countdown): Chris Berman, Tom Jackson and Paul Maguire
Booth: Al Michaels and John Madden
Sideline: Lisa Guerrero

USA Network (Starting in 2006)
Studio: Diana Nyad and Joe Gibbs
Booth: Brad Nessler and Cris Collinsworth

WLAF Pairings
USA Network
Studio:
Diana Nyad and Joe Gibbs

Play by Play (Not sure how many pairings will really be needed):
Brad Nessler and Boomer Esiason
Mike Patrick and Todd Blackledge
Ted Robinson and Bill Parcells
Barry Tompkins and Toi Cook

Sideline:
Michael Barkann

NBC
Studio:
Hannah Storm, Deion Sanders and Steve Young

Play by Play (Not sure how many pairings will really be needed):
Nick Halling and Bill Maas
Joe Buck and Brian Baldinger
Sam Rosen and Daryl Johnston
Gary Thorne and Steve Beuerlein
Marv Albert and Dan Jiggetts
Kevin Calabro and Anthony Munoz
Joel Meyers and Rich Gannon
Tim Brant and Mike Tomczak
Paul Kennedy and Randy Cross
Sean McDonough and Jim Mandich
Craig Bolerjack and Solomon Wilcots
Jim Lampley and Ron Wolfley