As Dreamers Do: American Magic Redux

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Igeo654

OK. So, since Disney built its theme park nearly an hour away from its studio, if Fleischer-Terry decides to copy, would it be a stretch to see them building somewhere like, say,
Fort Lauderdale? With that in mind, I see this park, which I shall affectionately refer to as ''Startoon Beach'', being more of an earlier version of Universal's Toon Lagoon mixed with a dash of Marvel Super Hero Island with the National/All-American Heroes. Whereas Early Disneyland was more about general fantasy, the Romanticized past mixed with the Romanticized vision of the future of the time with hints of Disney properties splashed here and there, this park would be at the opposite end of the spectrum. A sort of ''Animated Hollywood of Adventure'' where Kids and Kids at heart could walk into the worlds of their favorite Fleischer-Terry Toon friends and even meet and greet with them around the park. You could have a couple of classic cars from the 20s/30s driving around slowly like, maybe a Model T and a circus clown car from the 30s, maybe an old-timey Nickelodeon style theater where they showcased classic toons and coming attractions, etc, some street clowns here and there, etc.
 
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OldNavy1988

Igeo654 said:
OK. So, since Disney built its theme park nearly an hour away from its studio, if Fleischer-Terry decides to copy, would it be a stretch to see them building somewhere like, say,
Fort Lauderdale?
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Right now the Mickey Mouse Park concept has been put on hold with the war still raging on.
 

Pyro

OldNavy1988 said:
How about if Max Gaines still sells All American to DC?

Then Max can turn around and use the money he gets from DC to join Timely and pay off the debts Goodman owes for his distribution arm?
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Igeo654 said:
That sounds like a fun idea. Hey, maybe you could have Julie Schwartz leave DC for Timely and then have Stan Lee do the reverse? Change the fate of both companies?
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It's quite possible that Gaines could poach Schwartz from DC/All-American and hand him Timely's dormant superhero franchises (Captain America, Human Torch, Sub-Mariner) to reimagine. Meanwhile, Stan leaves Timely/Atlas after a falling out with Martin Goodman and Gaines to work at DC to revive the Flash/Green Lantern/etc. with a OTL Marvel flair?.
OldNavy1988 said:
Another idea I just thought of would be for Joe Simon and Jack Kirby to team up with Walt Disney sometime in the early fifties when Walt starts investing in television.
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Igeo654 said:
Considering that WB may gain control of Marvel, I think Jope and Jack would be better suited to helping Warner with any TV projects. Disney could have a partnership with Quality Comics, so that could A:Stop the Latter from going under and B: Give Disney the chance to work with the underrated talent there.
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Would Walt be interested in getting his company into television animation a good thirty years earlier than OTL? I could easily envision a Plastic Man animated series that could keep the character in the public consciousness longer. Similarly, if he wants to capitalize on the popularity to the George Reeves Adventures of Superman, there could be an Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters series.
Goldwind2 said:
The big heroes at quality comics were uncle sam, the ray, plastic man, phatom lady, doll man and the human bomb
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I wouldn't mind seeing the Golden Age Wildfire becoming more prominent.
 

Igeo654

Pyro said:
It's quite possible that Gaines could poach Schwartz from DC/All-American and hand him Timely's dormant superhero franchises (Captain America, Human Torch, Sub-Mariner) to reimagine. Meanwhile, Stan leaves Timely/Atlas after a falling out with Martin Goodman and Gaines to work at DC to revive the Flash/Green Lantern/etc. with a OTL Marvel flair?.
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Those three plus the Whizzer and Miss America. Also, I was thinking of Stan Lee Coming up with the ideas for the Marvel characters with another artist on DC's payroll rather than doing them with Jack Kirby/Steve Ditko. They'd be different, of course, but they'd still exist. Guys like Flash and Green Lantern would remain mostly in the past, giving DC the sliding timescale and giving Marvel all those crises and the Multiverse and what not.
 

Pyro

Igeo654 said:
Those three plus the Whizzer and Miss America. Also, I was thinking of Stan Lee Coming up with the ideas for the Marvel characters with another artist on DC's payroll rather than doing them with Jack Kirby/Steve Ditko.
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Most likely Carmine Infantino or Gil Kane.
PNWKing said:
Stan Lee was related to Martin Goodman somehow., so there's no way Stan would leave Timely/Atlas.
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He was considering quitting Atlas prior to creating Fantastic Four OTL.
 
The Three Caballeros (1945 Film)
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    The Three Caballeros
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    Released by Walt Disney thru United Artists on February 3, 1945

    Supervising Director
    Norman Ferguson

    Sequence Directors
    Clyde Geronimi
    Bill Roberts
    Jack Kinney
    Harold Young

    Live Action Cast
    Carmen Molina
    Dora Luz
    Aurora Miranda
    Trio Calaveras
    Frank Mayorga
    Nestor Amaral
    Trio Ascendo del Rio
    Padua Hills Players
    Carlos Ramirez

    Cartoon Voices
    Clarence Nash as Donald Duck
    Joaquin Garay as Panchito Pistoles
    Jose Oliviera as Jose Carioca
    Pinto Colvig as the Aracuan Bird
    Sterling Holloway as the Narrator of the Pablo the Cold Blooded Penguin segment
    Fred Shields as the Narrator of the Flying Gauchito segment​
     
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    • The Very First Fox Movietoon
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    Scrappily Married
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    Released on March 3, 1945

    Distributor
    20th Century-Fox

    Production Company
    Harman-Ising

    Director
    Leslie Alston*

    Executive Producers
    Hugh Harman
    Rudolf Ising

    Music
    Winston Sharples

    Voices
    Arnold Stang as Herman the Mouse
    Mel Blanc as Henry the Rooster
    Bea Benaderet as Chicken Pie

    Animators
    Claude Smith
    Ira Finkle*
    Arnie Jacobson*
    Horace Lyons*
    Tommy Hodge*

    Story
    Benny Leonard*
    Herbert Wolfe*
    Leon Copeland*

    Layout
    Arthur Pratt*
    Fred Kirkland*

    Background
    Douglas Melton*
    Bernie Vaughn*

    *Fictional artists

    In case anyone's wondering, the cartoon does begin with the Fox fanfare:
     
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    • Igeo654

    OldNavy1988 said:
    May 8, 1945
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    The Nazis surrender and the Allies declare Victory in Europe.​
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    That's V-E day done for us. After V-J day, things will really start to get back to normal for the world, Minus the whole Cold War/Atomic Age thing. I can't wait to see the post-war animation here.
     

    OldNavy1988

    Igeo654 said:
    That's V-E day done for us. After V-J day, things will really start to get back to normal for the world, Minus the whole Cold War/Atomic Age thing. I can't wait to see the post-war animation here.
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    How long did it take for normalcy to return in the UK after the Nazis surrendered?
     

    Igeo654

    OldNavy1988 said:
    How long did it take for normalcy to return in the UK after the Nazis surrendered?
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    Considering how our culture in the 1950s differed from American culture, I'd say it took until at least 1958/60 for us to get out of our funk. Keep in mind, your country wasn't being blitzed from all angles so you kind of massive had a head start when it came to a return to a peacetime status quo. We, on the other hand, were still sweeping rubble and fixing buildings by 1953.
     

    NintendoFan1998

    I know they didn’t in the original version of this but I wonder if Disney will buy a certain Japanese card playing company eventually ITTL’s reboot.
     
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