[ARW AH] - Potential Implications of No Revolution

Supposing that ARW doesn't happen, that perhaps the colonists don't come to blow with the Brits... what happens once the colonials go west, and North America becomes a far more populous and prosperous region than Great Britain itself. Does government and nobility and big business establish itself in a new capital in the United States? Or is this great commonwealth resigned to being ruled from Europe, until such time independence by way of war or dominion come to pass?
 
Supposing that ARW doesn't happen, that perhaps the colonists don't come to blow with the Brits... what happens once the colonials go west, and North America becomes a far more populous and prosperous region than Great Britain itself. Does government and nobility and big business establish itself in a new capital in the United States? Or is this great commonwealth resigned to being ruled from Europe, until such time independence by way of war or dominion come to pass?

I think it would de facto split, with an unofficial American half and an unofficial British half, while technically being the same polity.
 
Either the British continue insisting on a subsidiary position for the American colonies, in which case there's an independence war sooner or later, or they increasingly devolve power to them. It will be clear before too long that America is going to outstrip the UK in population, so the UK will likely have powers delegated to individual colonies or regional confederations rather than "America" as a whole.
 
Supposing that ARW doesn't happen, that perhaps the colonists don't come to blow with the Brits... what happens once the colonials go west, and North America becomes a far more populous and prosperous region than Great Britain itself.
The continent of North America is certainly going to be more populus simply because of the size of the place but why assume that there's going to be just one 'America'? Even in our timeline the different colonies were pretty independent of one another - without the Revolution, the switch from Articles of Confederation to Constitution, the Civil War and other events you might well get smaller nations or groupings of colonies emerge than one large one.


Does government and nobility and big business establish itself in a new capital in the United States? Or is this great commonwealth resigned to being ruled from Europe, until such time independence by way of war or dominion come to pass?
Well responsible government started being introduced in the various colonies that would become Canada slightly less than 75 years after our timeline's American Revolution. Best guess is that since we're working under the conditions that you stated of there being no revolution and it staying a part of the Empire is that responsible government is likely moved forward, they in turn confederating togther to form various Dominions, and granting of a Statute of Westminster.
 
Supposing that ARW doesn't happen, that perhaps the colonists don't come to blow with the Brits... what happens once the colonials go west, and North America becomes a far more populous and prosperous region than Great Britain itself. Does government and nobility and big business establish itself in a new capital in the United States? Or is this great commonwealth resigned to being ruled from Europe, until such time independence by way of war or dominion come to pass?

It will ultimately depend on just what happens after said POD, but it seems to be most likely that there will probably be something not far removed from the C.N.A. from For Want of a Nail taking the place of the colonies, and whatever comes under British rule after them.

However, though, I'm afraid that Sobel's rather hopeful & optimistic vision that he presented to the world, isn't quite all that realistic in some areas(an African-American governor in Southern Vandalia.....in 1914?).

Here's an idea of what to look for:

1. Sadly, it's rather unlikely that slavery will end in 1833, as it did in Britain's Caribbean colonies IOTL. There are a variety of reasons for this, but one important one is that, without the 13 Colonies, Britain lost a huge amount of future potential profits that they might have gained from cotton, etc.; but also, perhaps just as importantly, the victory of the Patriots in the Revolution was ultimately seen as a victory for the ideals in which they upheld(or tried to!), something that the abolitionists and other liberals(not quite in the modern sense, though) of their day took, and ran with. If you want a realistic estimate, I would go for probably somewhere between 1860 and 1880 for the beginning of the complete and total end of slavery in *British America. Anytime before 1860 is pushing it a bit, but after 1880 is also unlikely.
2. Mexico might be left alone, by and large, unless a *Santa Anna type figure comes about.
3. Canada may or may not be absorbed into *British America.
4. I honestly don't see the monarchy wanting to leave Britain for the Americas. Chances are, we may actually see a system similar to OTL Canada(complete with Governor-Generals)
 
With the Dominion of New England from 1686 to 1689 we saw an attempt by the English to unite various colonies under one administration (New England along with New York and New Jersey). Leisler's Rebellion in New York helped put an end to this as it was unpopular and King James had been a Catholic so the Glorious Revolution allowed the colonies to undue unpopular acts by King James such as this unification.

Without a common British enemy it is unlikely that a dominion or confederation such as Canada could encompass more than a few colonies given the animosity and territorial boundary disputes. Even OTL we even call several of those disputes "wars" such as the Yankee-Pennamite, Toledo, and Honey War. At least in Canada the English speaking future Ontario didn't have much of a history as "separate" from Quebec, being part of a confederation was actually Ontario's only way to have local jurisdiction, they gained something. New Hampshire, Connecticut, and Rhode Island all intentionally were separate from Massachusetts and for a long time for good reasons, I don't see them wanting to join with a province that they distrusted.
 
If Britain never lost the American Revolutionary War, North America would have remained divided between three or four European powers.

The whole French and Indian Wars, Seven Years War, American Revolutionary War, French Revolution started because an upstart surveyor from Virginia - named George Washington clashed with the French west of the Apalachian Mountains.
Britain had been trying to avoid a clash with the French by limiting English colonists' expansion westwards.
If the British had retained control, they would have prevented English-speaking emigrants from the 13 colonies from expanding westward into the Ohio, Mississippi and Missouri River Valleys.
The French would have retained control of the Great Lakes and Canadian Prairies. Without United Empire Loyalists, there would never have been significant numbers of English-speaking immigrants to what we now call Ontario.
Spain would have retained control of Mexico and much of what we now call the American Southwest.
Russia would have continued trading and clubbing seals along the Pacific Coast. The only excuse for Russian expansion inland would have been mining, but Tzarist Russia never industrialized as much as Western Europe, ergo fewer mines and factories in Russian Alaska. Oh! Alaska would have remained under Tzarist rule.
Russia and Britain would play a "Great Game" about trading posts on the Columbia River.
 
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