Arminius fails

Well anything can happen, but at the very minimum Augustus will feel a lot more secure in the north and will not have the stain of that battle over his head for the rest of his life. So he might live a few months or years longer due to less stress.
 
The warfare in Germania probably proceeds apace from what it was OTL; the Romans stomped over the Germans when they got around to doing it properly. Germanicus might become more popular than OTL, but gets knocked off eventually by Tiberius anyway.

The one thing that could change everything is Augustus. He wanted the border of the Empire to be on the Elbe, and if Varus' disaster doesn't happen then its conceivable Germania is subjugated in his lifetime. Augustus could then command the Romans incorporate Germania into the empire. They didn't in OTL because it was not worth it economically, but if someone who was literally a god told them differently there's a very good chance Germania is romanized.
 
stus of almost all his manpower (he had to recruit slaves into the army during the revolt) so the 3 legions was a devastating loss. Here though he's coming off a victory over the Illyrians and a quelling of the Germanic revolt. Maaybe in a year or two, Tiberius will be sent back out to subjugate Marcomannia like he planned too before the outbreak of the Illyrian Revolt.
 

katchen

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Marcomannia will be very valuable to the Empire. Bohemia has silver in the Ore and Sudeten Mountains. That's why they're called the Ore Mountains IOTL.
 
Assuming Ariminus fails in his ambush on Rome in the Teutoberg Forest, what comes of Germania?


Probably about the same, only less dramatic.

75 years later, Calgacus lost to Agricola, but the border ended up stopping at Hadrian's Wall just the same, because Caledonia wasn't worth the effort. This might well be also true for Germania.
 
Probably about the same, only less dramatic.

75 years later, Calgacus lost to Agricola, but the border ended up stopping at Hadrian's Wall just the same, because Caledonia wasn't worth the effort. This might well be also true for Germania.

Agreed.

The biggest change from this POD is the impact that it has on Augustus' mental health state, and it's possible it could give him a few more years of life. Teutoberg Forest had no real impact upon Rome's ability to push the Germani around, and there were plenty of avenging Roman expeditions in the years that followed. Sooner or later, though, I'm of the opinion that the Romans will give up and accept that an Elbe frontier is just too remote and difficult to supply for too little reward.
 
Probably about the same, only less dramatic.

75 years later, Calgacus lost to Agricola, but the border ended up stopping at Hadrian's Wall just the same, because Caledonia wasn't worth the effort. This might well be also true for Germania.

Depends.
As katchen already mentioned Marcomannia (Bohemia) includes the ore mountains. Silver, lead, zinc, and tin.
Then we´ve got the Harz mountains. Gold, silver, copper, lead and zinc.
The oldest remains of mining so far found there were slag and ore chunks dating back to the 3th century. If tribes could mine there in the 3th century then Romans should be able to do it too in the times of Augustus.

For agriculture there are potentially several interesting areas. Like the Hildesheim or Magdeburg Börde for example. Its soils are the most fertile in Germany.

So potentially there are quite a few valuable things Roman surveyors could find. Of course finding them will take time.

The Elbe border (including Bohemia) would also shorten the border. I´d guess Hamburg - Vienna would shorten the border by roughly a third?
On the other hand the river Elbe isn´t quite the same obstacle (water depth) compared to the river Rhine. So troops won´t be reduced by one third even in a pacified Germania.
 
The biggest change from this POD is the impact that it has on Augustus' mental health state, and it's possible it could give him a few more years of life. Teutoberg Forest had no real impact upon Rome's ability to push the Germani around, and there were plenty of avenging Roman expeditions in the years that followed. Sooner or later, though, I'm of the opinion that the Romans will give up and accept that an Elbe frontier is just too remote and difficult to supply for too little reward.


Except the territory had already been declared to be a province, hadn't it?
 
Probably about the same, only less dramatic.

75 years later, Calgacus lost to Agricola, but the border ended up stopping at Hadrian's Wall just the same, because Caledonia wasn't worth the effort. This might well be also true for Germania.

Agricola was recalled by a jealous Domitian right before he could finish the conquest-and subsequently died a mysterious death... And that wasn't the last time the Romans tried to conquer Caledonia. Septimius Severus was doing exactly that when he died.
 
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