are these viable states

for an ameriwank I have been toying with are the colored areas of otl canada viable for states. usa contains northern mexico all of canada but quebec most of the caribean panama russian far east luzon and visilay islands wilsonian armenia parts of africa and 1 agean island. more liberal imagration policy no leagal abortion

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Try reading the book "The Nine Nations of North America." It defines the different regions as running North to South.
Your splitting of British Columbia is close to reality because Northern British Columbia (specifically the Peace River District is more closely aligned (topographic ally and economically) with Northern Alberta.
Modern Southern Prairie Provinces (Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba) are popularly referred to as " wheat belt" or prime farming land while the northern portions are rough and good for little more than forestry or mining.
Northern Ontario and Quebec are also only good for mining and farming.
If you want to draw a border between Quebec and Labrador, may I suggest drawing the border straight south to the Gulf of Saint Lawrence, since the thinly-scattered villages along the North Shore are primarily English-speaking.

Modern day New Brunswick is more complex than your map. Northern New Brunswickers mostly speak French with Québécois accents. A second French dialect dominates Acadian villages along the East Coast of New Brunswick. Finally, theSaint John River Valley is dominated by English-speaking descendants of United Empire Loyalists who share many cultural, religious and linguistic traits with New England.
Acadian villages are also scattered along the coasts of Nova Scotia and P.E.I.
 
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Having started what turned into a fairly large text version of this, I'm just going to post a map that seems more reasonable to me in terms of getting viable populations. The Alaska split is a last minute addition, and the border is very approximate (I was thinking coastal Alaska to Anchorage, on reflection is might well end up including the Aleutians as well).

I didn't remove the border, but I frankly doubt that Nunavut forms under US government. A single Arctic Teritory would have a lot of appeal in a scenario like this, and if dividing it east/west happens I tend to think it would be a straight line in the vicinity of Yellowknife.

As far as Northern Ontario and Manitoba having gotten kind of out of hand in terms of size, I suspect that if it is to be shrunken you are looking in terms of Manitoba growing; probably west to Lake Superior first, then vaguely north as OTL.

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Neither of your green or purple polities would have populations large enough to be states.

You are looking at (mostly) Canadian Shield, solid rock.
 
Extend the pink portion (Alberta) northwestwards to include the Peace River District.

Combine Northern Ontario and the northern parts of the prairie provinces, since they are largely un-occupied.

I still think the Labrador border should be drawn straight south to include the North Shore of the Gulf of Saint Lawrence, since most of those coastal villages speak English and have more in common with Newfoundland.

While you are re-drawing the borders of Quebec, you might as well extend them to include the French-speaking parts of Northern New Brunswick and Eastern Ontario.
 
Extend the pink portion (Alberta) northwestwards to include the Peace River District.

Combine Northern Ontario and the northern parts of the prairie provinces, since they are largely un-occupied.

I still think the Labrador border should be drawn straight south to include the North Shore of the Gulf of Saint Lawrence, since most of those coastal villages speak English and have more in common with Newfoundland.

While you are re-drawing the borders of Quebec, you might as well extend them to include the French-speaking parts of Northern New Brunswick and Eastern Ontario.

Northern Quebec as well, if you're dividing the former province on linguistic lines. The Cree and Nunavik were both 95% in favour of leaving Quebec should the province break off from Canada, so you could see that as a new Indian Territory under the US or as part of the province of "Canadian Shield" that you guys have drawn.

By the way, what's with the division of the provinces? The only one that actually needs it in the case of joining the US would probably be Quebec.
 

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Neither of your green or purple polities would have populations large enough to be states.

You are looking at (mostly) Canadian Shield, solid rock.

Your analysis of the purple one is right. It is mostly bare rock and the only city to speak of is Fort McMurray with 60,000 people. Not enough for a state.

However, Northern Ontario and Manitoba could definitely make a viable state. Northern Ontario by itself has a population of over 700,000, outstripping the US state of Wyoming. Northern Manitoba adds another 80,000 to this figure. The region also has a wealth of resources in mining and lumber. It could be a state in that sense for the same reasons the UP of Michigan could have succeeded as a state when Dominic Jacobetti proposed it in the 70s.
 
as the original poster I really liked Bureaucromancer's extending northern bc threw yukon and southern alaska.

Westphalian thanks for the map of the area in 1900

At the time of the American revolution New Brunswick was part of Nova Scotia, and would likely remain such if Nova Scotia was one of the original States.

As for the northern sections of Quebec being separate I believe this area is much more likely to go to an independent Quebec then even a wanked USA
 
Your analysis of the purple one is right. It is mostly bare rock and the only city to speak of is Fort McMurray with 60,000 people. Not enough for a state.

However, Northern Ontario and Manitoba could definitely make a viable state. Northern Ontario by itself has a population of over 700,000, outstripping the US state of Wyoming. Northern Manitoba adds another 80,000 to this figure. The region also has a wealth of resources in mining and lumber. It could be a state in that sense for the same reasons the UP of Michigan could have succeeded as a state when Dominic Jacobetti proposed it in the 70s.

OK, both purples and the first green.

Agreed, the second green is big enough. Although I didn't think it was, I found a list of Ontario regions, and it does, indeed, add up faster than I thought.
 
I don't think the Northern Ontario/Northern Manitoba is viable as a single state before the era of air travel simply because it's too geographically huge. There are no rivers that run east-west between the two, and the land is Canadian Shield, so horrible for building railroad or road on. Especially if you have the capital near lake Superior or Huron (where most of the population is), you have no reasonable transportation route from there to Northern Manitoba that doesn't go through Southern Manitoba.... The best option would be rail to one of the rivers that drains into Hudson Bay, boat through Hudson Bay to the mouth of one of the other rivers...

So, while it has enough population to be viable, I really thing that Northern Manitoba is more reasonably lumped in with Southern Manitoba or with Northern Alberta/Saskatchewan, which can both be reached fairly easily from Northern Manitoba by river.

I think the most viable option for the "prairie states" is to draw a line just south of Edmonton, and to make everything north of there a single state with Edmonton as the capital. You have enough East-West rivers to connect the region, and you have enough population around Edmonton to serve as a capital. Then, do whatever you want with the Southern Prairies.

A couple other thoughts:
(a) If OTL's Western Canada joins the US before the mid-19th century, I don't think you'd get the straight line along the 49th parallel that you've drawn. I think instead you'd see states the straddle the OTL border, like you've done with the Northern BC/Southern Alaska State
(b) I think Vancouver Island should be a separate State as it was a separate province for a bit OTL, and dividing Vancouver Island from the mainland makes more sense population-wise then cutting up BC North/South. Or even dividing BC between Coast/Interior along the peaks of the Coast Range.
(c) If you are going to divide BC North/South, then the dividing line should be another few hundred km south to make sure that Prince Rupert (Northern BC's principal port) and Prince George (Northern BC's largest city) end up in the Northern half.
 
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