Are there any Axis victories that are realistic?

I don't know if a Japanese victory is possible in WW2 without ASBs. To quote the old classic:

As long as Japan faced the US, they were going to lose the Pacific War. And they were going to face the US, because as long as they continued to expand they would eventually get embargoed and lose because of it. Their only option to avoid this would be to back down and pull out of much of China, something which would A) Be politically impossible, and B) Not really make them Axis Japan anymore.

What's more likely is that Germany gets the atom bomb before America and nukes New York, either because they had better scientists or because the Manhattan Project was delayed or never happened. America could then be forced to sign a Versailles style disarmament treaty and would cease to be a major global power as Germany and Japan built autarkic colonial empires. This isn't particularly likely, but an Axis victory isn't likely in general, and it is AH after all so "unlikely" isn't really that important.
 
What's more likely is that Germany gets the atom bomb before America and nukes New York, either because they had better scientists or because the Manhattan Project was delayed or never happened. America could then be forced to sign a Versailles style disarmament treaty and would cease to be a major global power as Germany and Japan built autarkic colonial empires. This isn't particularly likely, but an Axis victory isn't likely in general, and it is AH after all so "unlikely" isn't really that important.
How do the Germans in this scenario deliver their atom bomb to New York?
 
Fatherland is like that because it’s set in Berlin, away from the front. It’s shown time and again that things are less rosy the farther east you go. It’s a reasonable portrayal of sophisticated urban life in that world, and as I said, the Holocaust links behind everything.
The Holocaust wasn't some kind of secret the Nazis intended to hide. Himmler openly talked about it and it was widely known among the civilian population. It would also be rather hard to hide it from the veterans who engaged in it themselves (even a great proportion of the Wehrmacht were responsible for war crimes).

And the Holocaust would in this scenario be tiny compared to the 100+ million Slavs who would be horribly murdered or deported to starve to death in Siberia. If it didn't want to glorify Nazism it should take place in occupied Warsaw or some other frontier region where SS colonists live with the native inhabitants as their slaves.
 
What's more likely is that Germany gets the atom bomb before America and nukes New York, either because they had better scientists or because the Manhattan Project was delayed or never happened. America could then be forced to sign a Versailles style disarmament treaty and would cease to be a major global power as Germany and Japan built autarkic colonial empires. This isn't particularly likely, but an Axis victory isn't likely in general, and it is AH after all so "unlikely" isn't really that important.

No "likeliness" (or plausibility) is still important in AH. Also I have the feeling that one nuke would make US more angry than scared.
 
No "likeliness" (or plausibility) is still important in AH. Also I have the feeling that one nuke would make US more angry than scared.
If the whole of Lower Manhattan was roasted to a crisp with over 100,000 deaths and the German capability to produce more such devices, don't you think America would see an armistice as relatively agreeable?
 
Submarine-launched V-2, Amerikabomber (might be risky since it could be shot down), 9/11-style suicide attack, or some other wunderwaffen.
The US had air superiority when they bombed Japan. Any submarine can be sunk, any airplane can be shut down. The Amerixans will have air and naval superiority in the area around New York.

So now there's a decent chance they capture the A-bomb. Ultimately though I don't see how it can get through in anything but a surprise attack, and even then I don't think the US surrenders after one bombing. Instead, they'd be pissed as hell and retaliate with Anthrax via Britain. The US had the largest chemical weapons supply in the world in WW2, and held it in reserve for just this kind of scenario.
 
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You are being kinda inconsistent.
The US also built similar long-range strategic bombers after the war, same with the V-2. What I meant more was ridiculous weapon projects that were totally impractical and were only even designed because they looked cool.
 
If the whole of Lower Manhattan was roasted to a crisp with over 100,000 deaths and the German capability to produce more such devices, don't you think America would see an armistice as relatively agreeable?

It is just a bigger bomb. There is an ocean between US and Germany. Germans repeating it is unlikely. And if Germany is defeated then it can not continue being a threat.
 
The US had air superiority when they bombed Japan. Any submarine can be sunk, any airplane can be shut down. The Amerixans will have air and naval superiority in the area around New York.

So now there's a decent chance they capture the A-bomb. Ultimately though I don't see how it can get through in anything but a surprise attack, and even then I don't think the US surrenders after one bombing. Instead, they'd be pissed as hell and retaliate with Anthrax via Britain. The US had the largest chemical weapons supply in the world in WW2.
Britain would have been occupied long ago by this point. If it hadn't then the idea of anything resembling an Axis victory scenario is implausible. Chemical and biological weapons need many bombers to deliver them, while nuking New York would only take 1 single bomber getting through, and it wouldn't even need to return if it were a suicide attack. There's also the "Silbervogel" orbital bomber plan, which would need to be upsized to carry an atom bomb with a heat shield for reentry, but in the unlikely scenario the Nazis were able to build an atom bomb I don't see how they wouldn't be able to accomplish this as well, given that they would have a justification for splurging resources on this otherwise-impractical project.
 
Britain would have been occupied long ago by this point. If it hadn't then the idea of anything resembling an Axis victory scenario is implausible. Chemical and biological weapons need many bombers to deliver them, while nuking New York would only take 1 single bomber getting through, and it wouldn't even need to return if it were a suicide attack. There's also the "Silbervogel" orbital bomber plan, which would need to be upsized to carry an atom bomb with a heat shield for reentry, but in the unlikely scenario the Nazis were able to build an atom bomb I don't see how they wouldn't be able to accomplish this as well, given that they would have a justification for splurging resources on this otherwise-impractical project.
How did Britain get occupied? Atom bomb as well? In that case, why didn't the US retaliate with it's own WMDs and devastate Germany then, preventing it from occupying Britain?

If Germany is throwing around atom bombs, I have to imagine the US gets both protective measures and their own bomb going as quickly as possible.
 
The Holocaust wasn't some kind of secret the Nazis intended to hide. Himmler openly talked about it and it was widely known among the civilian population. It would also be rather hard to hide it from the veterans who engaged in it themselves (even a great proportion of the Wehrmacht were responsible for war crimes).

And the Holocaust would in this scenario be tiny compared to the 100+ million Slavs who would be horribly murdered or deported to starve to death in Siberia. If it didn't want to glorify Nazism it should take place in occupied Warsaw or some other frontier region where SS colonists live with the native inhabitants as their slaves.
It wouldn't be confidential, but in Berlin and Munich and Hamburg, etc. people would be much more concerned about their daily lives. People are narrow-minded like that.
 
It is just a bigger bomb. There is an ocean between US and Germany. Germans repeating it is unlikely. And if Germany is defeated then it can not continue being a threat.
How is the US going to defeat Germany after Germany has smashed the USSR and Britain and occupied all of Europe? D-Day was them with British support conquering territory held by a few horribly overextended scraps of the German army while the rest was fighting on the Eastern Front, and Germany had already got its ass kicked very thoroughly at land, air and sea to the point that the war was basically over by then, and even that was difficult. It would be a gridlock scenario in which one side has nukes while the other doesn't. Hitler didn't even want to take over the US anyway, so he would be okay with a peace treaty that would be generous to them if there was no alternative.
 
How is the US going to defeat Germany after Germany has smashed the USSR and Britain and occupied all of Europe? D-Day was them with British support conquering territory held by a few horribly overextended scraps of the German army while the rest was fighting on the Eastern Front, and Germany had already got its ass kicked very thoroughly at land, air and sea to the point that the war was basically over by then, and even that was difficult. It would be a gridlock scenario in which one side has nukes while the other doesn't. Hitler didn't even want to take over the US anyway, so he would be okay with a peace treaty that would be generous to them if there was no alternative.

If Germany is not at war with Britain it is not at war with America. If it is at war with Britain Sealion is impossible so Americans can still use Britain as a forward base. If Britain gives up on the war and gets a negotiated peace so will the US since they don't have a special reason to fight Germany unlike Pearl Harbor with Japan.
 
Seamammal before America gets involved. Unlikely to work sure, but the same applies to any Axis victory scenario.
Sealion is ASB, full stop. This has been discussed ad nauseam on here, but it just isn't possible.

You want a realistic scenario, you have to find another way.
 
What's more likely is that Germany gets the atom bomb before America and nukes New York, either because they had better scientists or because the Manhattan Project was delayed or never happened.
Considering the Nazis refused to recognize such "Jewish science" and at one point the German post office oversaw nuclear research, that's... impressive.
 
Both of these, notably, portray the Nazis as imploding amid a devastated Europe in the early 1950s.
AANW ends with the Reich getting defeated by the WAllies in a war that lasts between 1954 and 1960 resulting in tens of millions of deaths from combat, disease, murder, starvation, suicide and WMDs.
 
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