Are ANY parts of the Treaty of Sevres plausible?

Is there any way at all that any part of this map could concievably have lasted as a territorial settlement after 1925, or is it all just ASB?

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Xen

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The British parts of Kurdistan on the map could definately survive, and possibly attached to the French parts of Kurdistan in whole and certainly in part, but not much else
 
How about the Franco-Syrian Cilicia or the Greek Thrace? Can Smyrna remain Greek if the Greeks don't go crazy and try to pick a fight with Turkey, or is it ASB for them not to do this?
 
I'd think the Greeks could hold some of their gains with some luck and restraint. Establish defensible borders and set up fortifications rather than just advancing into Anatolia.

With more support given to the various peoples in the east things could well get very messy there- you've the Soviets to add to the mix as well as the Turks and other ethnicities.

As to the British and French...they just don't care enough. It has to be the locals doing the vast bulk of the fighting.
 
This POD may help. Smyrna and Eastern Thrace(Constantinople as a free city but I doubt it) is about the best the Greeks can hope for should they win as both the Italians and French as well as the Soviets were actively supporting the Turks. The British were at best luke warm about supporting the Greeks.
 

Markus

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So the British and French Empires, Italy, Greece and Armenia decide to join forces and cut up Turkey? What is ASB about that? IMO only the idea that Turkey could do anything about it! IOTL Turkey survived because France and Britain needed her to counter the USSR. Had the Reds lotst the civil war, "new" Russia would have asked for it´s sahre too.
 
The Greek claims can be maintained as long as no one in the Greek government has any crazy ideas of moving forwards and deeper into Asia Minor. In a couple of decades, whatever Turks that would have been there would've moved out or assimilated into the greater Greek population. I wouldn't be surprised if they had to lost the lands outside of Smyrna; I can't really see them holding it. Maybe they trade for lands that have a much more substantial Greek population such as in Pontus. Constantinople would either be a free city or eventually given back to whatever government takes over in Turkey.

Italy could gain minor territorial concessions in the southeastern coast near their current possessions but that's about it. They are in a lesser position than the Greeks to expect to hold the territories granted to them as shown in that map.

Armenia could work out with those territories. It would be poetic justice after that event that shall not be mentioned by name though Pontus doesn't seem to fit well in an expanded Armenian state.

Lands allotted to a future independent Kurdish state can work out well though I can not see them having just those territories. Maybe minor expansion into Syria and Mesopotamia. There were Kurdish populations and still are to this day.

Cilicia could go either way.
 
An Armenia where either the vast majority is not Armenian or where the standard anti-Turkish ethnic cleansing has taken place won't be long for this world.

The real problem is going to be WWII. The Turkish mood is going to be very unpleasant. If the British are smart they'll buy Turkish neutrality with concessions on such a scale that it will be humiliating. Assume Armenia is destroyed while the French, British and Greeks yield gained on this map.

Without such concessions Hitler has the ally and base of operations he needs in the Middle East and the likelihood is a collapse of the British position west of Iran or perhaps even India in 1941, after which the new front against the Soviets in the Caucausus could well mean the USSR also falls.
 
The real problem is going to be WWII. The Turkish mood is going to be very unpleasant.

That's what I thought. I'm vaguelly considering doing a small TL from 1920 to 1950, where the Great Powers properly enforce Sevres- this leads to a facist Turkey allying with Italy to get revenge on Greece, and the allies being swept out of continental Europe for good.
 
Im not sure, but I think Greek Eastern Thrace is about the only thing plausible in the long run. Excluding Istambul, of course.
 
That's what I thought. I'm vaguelly considering doing a small TL from 1920 to 1950, where the Great Powers properly enforce Sevres- this leads to a facist Turkey allying with Italy to get revenge on Greece, and the allies being swept out of continental Europe for good.

That would hurt Turkey a lot more in the long run than anyone else if a Fascist revanchist government was put in place. Plus Italy if it plays its cards right would have a nice chunk of the former Ottoman empire for themselves to play around with. I doubt they would join their former enemies against a country that was technically their ally. Should the Soviet Union come into existence, the Armenian state would be propped up to keep the Russians out of Asia Minor.
 
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