Are a Socialist France, Belgium and Ib possible?

If it is how long do they last? Could they form a Western socialist federation?
Edit: Posted by accident, the full title is Are a socialist France, Belgium, Spain, and Portugal possible? Ib is for Iberia
 

Yun-shuno

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If it is how long do they last? Could they form a Western socialist federation?
Edit: Posted by accident, the full title is Are a socialist France, Belgium, Spain, and Portugal possible? Ib is for Iberia
Do you mean Soviet conquest or revolution from within?
 
From within, but with Soviet aid if possible, so they can fight off other countries trying to interfere.
 
They get Soviet weapons and foreign fighters. I am thinking that France falls into civil war after WW1, as the third Republic was said to be highly unstable ,and they later aid the Republicans in the Spanish civil war. Along the way they take Belgium and use the resources there. They aid a revolution in Portugal and so all of Iberia is socialist. Also Hitler is shot dead in world war 1.
 

Yun-shuno

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I would imagine under those circumstances the UK goes nigh fascist or falls into revolutionary upheaval itself. The US goes crazy and either the labor movement is viciously suppressed or it makes a bid to conquer the country.

If you have Germany go red as well-then their ain't no stoppen the revolution at that point.
 
I would imagine under those circumstances the UK goes nigh fascist or falls into revolutionary upheaval itself. The US goes crazy and either the labor movement is viciously suppressed or it makes a bid to conquer the country.

If you have Germany go red as well-then their ain't no stoppen the revolution at that point.
Could Poland have that intermarium I hear so much about? With armaments provided by Germany and Britain?
 

Yun-shuno

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Could Poland have that intermarium I hear so much about? With armaments provided by Germany and Britain?
Um no if both Russia and the Western European continental states go red, Germany goes red and um Poland goes red.

You have to understand revolutions are like dominos topple one and the others follow. Logically from that premise Germany goes communist and then Western Europe does.

Anyway the intermarium was Josef Pilsudski's polish imperial fantasy anyway. In the scenario you have described then he ain't gonna last long.
 
Um no if both Russia and the Western European continental states go red, Germany goes red and um Poland goes red.

You have to understand revolutions are like dominos topple one and the others follow. Logically from that premise Germany goes communist and then Western Europe does.

Anyway the intermarium was Josef Pilsudski's polish imperial fantasy anyway. In the scenario you have described then he ain't gonna last long.

>Domino theory

Really?

They get Soviet weapons and foreign fighters. I am thinking that France falls into civil war after WW1, as the third Republic was said to be highly unstable ,and they later aid the Republicans in the Spanish civil war. Along the way they take Belgium and use the resources there. They aid a revolution in Portugal and so all of Iberia is socialist. Also Hitler is shot dead in world war 1.

But yes, the French Third Republic had a strong worker's movement. From the little I've read of it, the French Left gathered a lot of support during the interwar period, but there was much infighting between pro-soviet and less radical members. There might be a dozen good PODs there if you're willing to research. I don't think Soviet support is even needed: many French were quite supportive of socialism (whetever they would support a Communist revolution would be another question) Taking Belgium out of nowhere would probably be very badly recieved by the UK: keep in mind that France was still a member of the Entente, and how a revolution proceeds there would determine that relationship.

The Republican Spanish winning the SCW is not implausible at all, and even more likely with French help (I'll imagine the Foreign Legion and the French Navy would be excellent assets). What comes AFTER is the big question; it's best to ask some of our Spanish members; but they most likely adopt a similar model to France if they helped them. I don't know about Portugal to comment, but my understanding is that it was doing rather well during this time and had no need of revolution. Invading Portugal would open a can of worms depending on the state of the alliances.

Whetever France and the USSR cooperate is another big question, depending on what kind of government arises on France. If they, say, adopt Troskyism, things could get ugly between them.

Also, without Hitler, the Weimar Republic could go anywhere, really. I wouldn't be surprised if they fall for a revolution from either the left or the right. Be mindful of butterflies.
 

Yun-shuno

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>Domino theory

Really?



But yes, the French Third Republic had a strong worker's movement. From the little I've read of it, the French Left gathered a lot of support during the interwar period, but there was much infighting between pro-soviet and less radical members. There might be a dozen good PODs there if you're willing to research. I don't think Soviet support is even needed: many French were quite supportive of socialism (whetever they would support a Communist revolution would be another question) Taking Belgium out of nowhere would probably be very badly recieved by the UK: keep in mind that France was still a member of the Entente, and how a revolution proceeds there would determine that relationship.

The Republican Spanish winning the SCW is not implausible at all, and even more likely with French help (I'll imagine the Foreign Legion and the French Navy would be excellent assets). What comes AFTER is the big question; it's best to ask some of our Spanish members; but they most likely adopt a similar model to France if they helped them. I don't know about Portugal to comment, but my understanding is that it was doing rather well during this time and had no need of revolution. Invading Portugal would open a can of worms depending on the state of the alliances.

Whetever France and the USSR cooperate is another big question, depending on what kind of government arises on France. If they, say, adopt Troskyism, things could get ugly between them.

Also, without Hitler, the Weimar Republic could go anywhere, really. I wouldn't be surprised if they fall for a revolution from either the left or the right. Be mindful of butterflies.
The OP was asking about a revolution in France I assumed it was a communist one. Any way the domino theory makes sense one doesn't have to a cold warrior to see that.
 
If it is how long do they last? Could they form a Western socialist federation?
Edit: Posted by accident, the full title is Are a socialist France, Belgium, Spain, and Portugal possible? Ib is for Iberia
Well, the Socialists are already one of the two prominent parties in France (the other being the Gaullists, whatever they call themselves, which changes).
Current governments in Spain and Portugal are also Socialist, IIRC.

So. OTL, basically.
 
Well, the Socialists are already one of the two prominent parties in France (the other being the Gaullists, whatever they call themselves, which changes).
Current governments in Spain and Portugal are also Socialist, IIRC.

So. OTL, basically.
Well not really, they become socialist in the early twentieth century, when such things would have sent shivers down the spine of the Western world. Like most countries saw the USSR as being the greatest to the world just by existing, without any knowledge of Stalin's atrocities yet. Churchill and others hated communism, and it's generally agreed that Hitler wouldn't have gotten into power if the USSR didn't exist as it made it easy for fascists groups to prey on the fears of a red menace since the elites would support a group that promised to get rid of communism.
 
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