Arab Nationalism & Politics in a pro-Arab US and a pro-Israel USSR world

A week ago, I made a WI on what would happen to Israeli politics if the US supported the Arabs and the USSR supported Israel. What would happen to Arab Nationalism and politics in a Pro-Arab US and a Pro-Israel USSR world?

The POD I am going for is that Truman is killed by Lehi in 1947, and as there is no VP and since this is before the 1948 Succession act, Secretary of State George Marshall, who IOTL wanted Truman to not recognize Israel, becomes President. Marshall does not recognize Israel and the USSR decides to buddy up with Israel following Marshall's refusal.
 
Let's check out how well things went for the pro-Arab British. Let's see, Suez Crisis, some coups... Turns out a lot of Arabs (and the officer corps) Didnt like the various kings set up after WWI and WWII and overthrew them, in part because of the failures against Israel. During which the Syrians and Egyptians were at odd with Transjordan, as they correctly saw the King of it wanting not to free Palestinians but to make himself king of them, as well as of Syria.

Chance of the US being pro Arab are zero point nada.
I'd also question the Soviets supporting Israel. Whatever Jews are left are going to be fairly antsy with the people who did so many pogroms against them over the centuries.

Anyways, the Arabs were constantly at odds with each other so I am sure the Americans and a British can each support a couple of states.
 
I'd also question the Soviets supporting Israel. Whatever Jews are left are going to be fairly antsy with the people who did so many pogroms against them over the centuries.

The Bolsheviks, for all the things you could accuse them of, ended the pogroms - there's a reason Hitler considered Bolshevism a Jewish conspiracy, because so many Jews took up the banner of Communism in Eastern Europe precisely because it would and did end pogroms of the Jews.
 
The Bolsheviks, for all the things you could accuse them of, ended the pogroms - there's a reason Hitler considered Bolshevism a Jewish conspiracy, because so many Jews took up the banner of Communism in Eastern Europe precisely because it would and did end pogroms of the Jews.
There was still the mass arrests of Jews at times, the somewhat Soviet-encouraged attacks on Jews in postwar Poland (apparently to help discredit the Poles since, you know, they were attacking the former occupants of concentration camps, even if the Soviets did claim the concentration camps were for killing surplus workers), and there is still the centuries of pogroms, Jews being labled as rootless cosmopolitans, etc. I imagine in this scenario the Soviets might act more decently to them before they leave. Or the Soviets keep a large amount of Jews due to their skills, and release them bit by bit so long as the Israelis stay pro-Kremlin.
 
Chance of the US being pro Arab are zero point nada.

Not at all. The American state department fought hard against the creation of Israel. Truman overruled them for domestic political reasons. A President politically stronger may have gone with foreign policy establishment

I'd also question the Soviets supporting Israel. Whatever Jews are left are going to be fairly antsy with the people who did so many pogroms against them over the centuries.

Stalin was pro-Zionist from 1944 on. The Soviets were really big on creating Israel thinking it would weaken Britain in the Middle East. He also thought Israel would be a socialist country.
He ordered the entire socialist bloc to vote for the UN partition plan and arranged for the Czechs to send weapons for the war of Independence
 
Seems unlikely the US and UK would see eye-to-eye on the future of the Middle East in the late 1940s, considering they didn't IOTL. In this scenario they'd be tripping directly over each other supporting different factions. Enough to cool UK/US relations? Eh, I could take or leave that bet.

Still, US support for Israel would exist beyond the administration. There would be enough political pressure to eventually force some kind of recognition, likely with the US forcing its Arab allies to accept the UN partition plan. Chance of US being pro-Arab is definitely not zero point nada, but the chance of them refusing to include Israel on their maps or allow the creation of the state with a POD that late are definitely approaching nada.
 
Well, it would depend on the Hows, and this is in a broad sort of sense.

Arab nationalism having American support would change things since they'd view the Americans as their ally. They might just treat Europe a bti coldly and such.

It would depend ultimately on who the US would support and what they'd be willing to do.

One way could be through Arabian revolutionaries. Rather than deal with the unpopular king and such, the US arms revolutionaries and helps a coup out and they could even make an Arabian Federation. They probably would only tell their Arab allies to deal with Israel being there to avoid having the desert be turned to glass through atomic warfare.

Beyond that, I reckon the Arabian politics may resemble abit on how the Americans would be, if namely out of imitation and circumstance, such as hard-stances on religious conservatism and such. The oil could help.
 
The Bolsheviks, for all the things you could accuse them of, ended the pogroms - there's a reason Hitler considered Bolshevism a Jewish conspiracy, because so many Jews took up the banner of Communism in Eastern Europe precisely because it would and did end pogroms of the Jews.
stalin was a master at using and discarding Communists of jewish orgin. May of the strongmen he put in place in eastern europe after the war were of jewish origin . they were ordered to be brutal and then stalin would " depose " them and thus save good communists from the coniving Jews.
 
stalin was a master at using and discarding Communists of jewish orgin. May of the strongmen he put in place in eastern europe after the war were of jewish origin . they were ordered to be brutal and then stalin would " depose " them and thus save good communists from the coniving Jews.

I've never seen any decent evidence that Stalin was an anti Semite apart from hearsay, sure many of his political enemies happened to be Jewish, many of his political friends also happened to be Jewish, such as Kaganovich, Mekhlis and Mitin - all three of which happened to be on the Central Committee of the CPSU(b) in 1952-3. Also Jews were generally over represented in the rank and file membership from the party's inception til mass emigration in the 60's. Jews were equals with Slavs in the Soviet Union, the cold war is over, try and see past the excesses of propaganda.
 

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I can't see a pro Arab U.S., but I can vaguely see an Israel that is more pro-Russian and is not that friendly to the U.S.
 
I've never seen any decent evidence that Stalin was an anti Semite apart from hearsay, sure many of his political enemies happened to be Jewish, many of his political friends also happened to be Jewish, such as Kaganovich, Mekhlis and Mitin - all three of which happened to be on the Central Committee of the CPSU(b) in 1952-3. Also Jews were generally over represented in the rank and file membership from the party's inception til mass emigration in the 60's. Jews were equals with Slavs in the Soviet Union, the cold war is over, try and see past the excesses of propaganda.

I don't think it was that Stalin hated Jews per se but recognized antisemitism as a useful political tool in controllig Eastern Europe
 
et's check out how well things went for the pro-Arab British. Let's see, Suez Crisis,

What the hell? Britain literally tried to overthrow the centre of the Arab world and the staunchest Arab nationalist for something as minor as nationalizing a company. How on earth was Britain pro-Arab during the Suez Crisis?
 
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