Arab Anatolia

What would the ramifications be of the Arabization of Asia Minor? Could the Ottoman Empire have survived?
 
The Ottomans were Turkish... so if Anatolia is Arab then the Ottomans don't exist, at least not in Anatolia.

The Ottomans are butterflied, but not necessarily the Turks in Anatolia. Just because the Arabs take over doesn’t mean that a similar massive Turkish invasion as IOTL couldn’t happen.
 

Germaniac

Donor
The Ottomans are butterflied, but not necessarily the Turks in Anatolia. Just because the Arabs take over doesn’t mean that a similar massive Turkish invasion as IOTL couldn’t happen.

Op is saying Anatolia is Arab, so then it is not turkish. He didn't say the Arabs just take over Anatolia.
 

Germaniac

Donor
I'm afraid an Arab caliphate taking over Anatolia would be the best scenario for an arabicization of the peninsula.

I'm not arguing that, they would need to conquer it. But once they did and subsequently "arabized" it then to fit the parameters to OPs question the Turkish migratiom would have to be avoided.
 
Op is saying Anatolia is Arab, so then it is not turkish. He didn't say the Arabs just take over Anatolia.

I misread the OP, I was assuming it was talking about an early Arab conquest of Anatolia (during the Arab-Byzantine Wars, I guess?).

In that scenario Anatolia could be Arabized from the 8th century to the late 11th or so, when a massive Turkish invasion could then proceed to Turkicize it.
 
What would the ramifications be of the Arabization of Asia Minor? Could the Ottoman Empire have survived?

In other words, the POD is after the rise of the Ottoman Empire. So how exactly does Arabization occur? You ask if the Ottoman Empire survive, but you do not specify if Arabization occurs through conquest, where the Ottomans lose Anatolia. If so, who conquers it? When does it happen? Have the Ottomans already conquered all of Anatolia? It is really not possible to give a good answer without knowing when is the POD.
 
It's possible that an Arab-ruled Anatolia does not "Arabize" in terms of language. The regions that already spoke Semitic languages adopted Arabic but those that spoke other ones usually retained their language (with a lot of Arab loanwords, of course). Perhaps we would see an Anatolian Greek language emerge that is written with the Arab alphabet.
 
It's possible that an Arab-ruled Anatolia does not "Arabize" in terms of language. The regions that already spoke Semitic languages adopted Arabic but those that spoke other ones usually retained their language (with a lot of Arab loanwords, of course). Perhaps we would see an Anatolian Greek language emerge that is written with the Arab alphabet.

Maybe if they converted to Islam, but I doubt you'd get Christian Greeks and Armenians switching to the Arabic alphabet otherwise.
 
If Anatolia gets arabized, Islam will be heavily Hellenized/Rhomanized.

I think I've seen mention of the idea that the Caliphate would have moved its capital to Constantinople if they took the city, although Anatolia being Arab =/= Arab Constantinople necessarily.
 
If Anatolia gets arabized, Islam will be heavily Hellenized/Rhomanized.

I think I've seen mention of the idea that the Caliphate would have moved its capital to Constantinople if they took the city, although Anatolia being Arab =/= Arab Constantinople necessarily.

Although the Ottomans claimed to be the successors of Rome, it was never a major part of their government or legitimacy. If the Caliphate rules all of Anatolia, especially without Constantinople, then Islam won't necessarily be Hellenised.
 
Well I would say a POD could be Timur Lenk going Genghis Khan on the population of Anatolia, and the Ottoman when they regain it, repopulate it with Arab tribes.
 
Top