Appalachian Empire: Scourge of the Americas

Rocano

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A Species of Llama develops in the Appalachians. Natives domesticate it as Pack animal. They soon become a United Empire and after conquering the Appalachians they become the Mongols of North America
 
just like the various Andes empires looked JUST like the Mongols . . . ?

It would be cool, but for a whole different set of reasons then becoming the Mongols of the Americas.
 
Do you mean Mongols in the sense that there are hordes of them? Because the Appalachians don't really lend themselves to high population density.
Though maybe if you can get a sort of ripple effect to increase the density East and West of the mountains with more agriculture and settlement around them, a raiding culture could emerge. They treat the surrounding tribes as vassals.
Maybe more like Vikings than Mongols with their increased cargo capacity, trading and raiding intermittently.
When the Europeans bring the germs over, perhaps the increased contact of the people in the land makes the outbreaks ever-so-slightly less virulent, while at the same time spreading the diseases much quicker, and making recovery that much quicker as well.
Also, in these hard times, such a raiding culture could easily round up the survivors to increase their own ranks and maintain a stronger power base in the mountains when the Europeans start to push west. It would also act as a barrier for the Eastern tribes, who might fight harder for their homelands rather than face the mountain tribes.
 

Rocano

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i was thinking that a raiding culture would evolve around the Appalachian Peoples. These Appalcahians would grow in power and take over a large part of the Americas toppling the Mound Builders and the North Eastern Hunter Gatherers. By the time the Europeans arrive an Aztec/Incan culture has evolved in the centered on a city in the Appalachians.
 
i was thinking that a raiding culture would evolve around the Appalachian Peoples. These Appalcahians would grow in power and take over a large part of the Americas toppling the Mound Builders and the North Eastern Hunter Gatherers. By the time the Europeans arrive an Aztec/Incan culture has evolved in the centered on a city in the Appalachians.

I think that a raiding culture akin to the Huns or Mongols best develops in areas where resources are best acquired by raiding. And llamas aren't the ideal raider mount... Perhaps an Incan-like culture, but probably not Mongol.
 
I think that a raiding culture akin to the Huns or Mongols best develops in areas where resources are best acquired by raiding. And llamas aren't the ideal raider mount... Perhaps an Incan-like culture, but probably not Mongol.

I don't know if this is what you mean, but I (also?) think that, to have a "mongol-type" culture, you need to have something to raid. If you had horses or cammels instead of llamas, you could have that kind of culture in present day Northern Mexico and Texas, as they could raid the agricultural "civilized" societies of Central Mexico. But to have them elsewhere in North America, you might need first a developped sedentarian society/"empire" in, let's say, the Missisipi valley.


Even if Llamas are not as efective as those animals, if you were able to make them "apt" to live in temperate lower altitudes, you can still have a nomad people simmilar to ancient middle eastern goat-herders. They would not be as agressive as the Huns or Mongols, but they might be similar to the Semitic peoples in the 2nd millenium BC, who lived outside the sedentarian societies in Mesopotamia and Egypt.

So, to sum up, to make the nomad scenario work well, an sedentarian society in the Missisipi and/or the Appalachian (this one like the Aztecs or the Incas) would help. As well as making llamas apt for the plains climate.
 
A Species of Llama develops in the Appalachians. Natives domesticate it as Pack animal. They soon become a United Empire and after conquering the Appalachians they become the Mongols of North America

Wouldn't it just be much easier to let the north American horses survive the end of the last ice age, along with the North American camels and lama's?

Lama's can carry small loads, but they can't carry a human being bigger than a child, so it would take quite a bit of evolution before there's a lama that's big, strong, and fast enough to carry mounted warriors and archers.

Really, letting North American horses survive and then be domesticated by the Native Americans would be much easier.
 
I don't know if this is what you mean, but I (also?) think that, to have a "mongol-type" culture, you need to have something to raid. If you had horses or cammels instead of llamas, you could have that kind of culture in present day Northern Mexico and Texas, as they could raid the agricultural "civilized" societies of Central Mexico. But to have them elsewhere in North America, you might need first a developped sedentarian society/"empire" in, let's say, the Missisipi valley.


Even if Llamas are not as efective as those animals, if you were able to make them "apt" to live in temperate lower altitudes, you can still have a nomad people simmilar to ancient middle eastern goat-herders. They would not be as agressive as the Huns or Mongols, but they might be similar to the Semitic peoples in the 2nd millenium BC, who lived outside the sedentarian societies in Mesopotamia and Egypt.

So, to sum up, to make the nomad scenario work well, an sedentarian society in the Missisipi and/or the Appalachian (this one like the Aztecs or the Incas) would help. As well as making llamas apt for the plains climate.

Maybe they are just interested in raiding as a way to make slaves? Caribs, Haida and Aztecs were pretty good at that for different reasons.
 
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Rocano

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Wouldn't it just be much easier to let the north American horses survive the end of the last ice age, along with the North American camels and lama's?

Lama's can carry small loads, but they can't carry a human being bigger than a child, so it would take quite a bit of evolution before there's a lama that's big, strong, and fast enough to carry mounted warriors and archers.

Really, letting North American horses survive and then be domesticated by the Native Americans would be much easier.

really had my haert set on Llamas or Alpacas
 
Wouldn;'t the llamas just spread to the rest of the area and then stronger agricultural states owuld be formed?
 
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