Apollo program encore, 1969

Archibald

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When Nixon become president in november 1968 he appointed a task force on space led by Nobel-prize Charles Townes.

I found the document there. Explosive !

http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4407/vol1/chapter3-3.pdf

What are the program items and their urgency for the immediatefitum?Various items
needing special consideration are
a. A manned space station. We are against any present commitment to the construction
of a large space station
, but believe study of the possible purposes and design of such
a station should be continued.

[5] b. Apollo Applications Program. This program should proceed as a way of testing
man's role in space, of allowing a healthy continuing manned space program, and for the
biomedical and scientific information it will yield.
c. Lunar exploration. Lunar exploration after the first Apollo landing will be exciting
and valuable. But additional work needs to be initiated this year to provide for its full
exploitation by means of an adequate mobility and extended stay on the lunar surface.



d. Planetary exploration. The US. program for planetary exploration by instrumented
probes needs to be strengthened and funds for such probes increased appreciably. However,
the great majority of the task force is not in favor of a commitment at present to a
manned planetary lander or orbiter.
e. Astronomy and other sciences. The space program is important to a number of
sciences, and can be of enormous benefit to astronomy. This potential should be continuously
developed through sound and stable programs.
f. Applications of spacecraft and associated techniques for civil and commercial benefit.
We believe research and development of such applications should be supported strongly
and increased in pace. Furthermore, the new administration should give considerable
attention to their use in promoting international cooperation.

(snip)

Cost reduction , and “low cost”boosters. The unit costs of boosting payloads into space
can be substantially reduced, but this requires an increased number of flights, or such an
increase coupled with an expensive development program. We do not recommend initiation
of such a development
, but study of the technical possibilities and rewards. Some cost
reductions in the space program can probably be made simply through experience and
stabilization of the level of effort, and through coordination of future NASA and DOD
programs.
Outch ! No space shuttle, no space station either. More lunar exploration.

The problem was that Thomas Paine did not followed those wise advices.
Then, Nixon created the Space Task Group "to buy time". Alas, the STG (February - September 1969) resulted in an unaffordable program. "I want it all, and I want it now" : space shuttle, space station, nuclear shuttle, mission to Mars.

You have to butterfly Thomas Paine away, maybe putting George Low (a pragmatic) instead.

So NASA follows recommandation of the Townes Panel, and focuse on more lunar exploration.
The next problem is that the Apollo hardware is not very efficient to build a lunar base.

http://www.astronautix.com/craftfam/lunbases.htm

This show the four steps planned for the Apollo lunar exploration:

1- basic Apollo lunar landings
2- AES
3- ALSS
4- LESA

This article explains why AES and ALSS are not worth the price.

Evans noted that the AES and ALSS cargo delivery systems would be "inherently inefficient" because astronauts would need to travel to the moon to deliver the automated cargo lander. This meant that the mass of the CSM systems needed for crew support and Earth return (life support, lunar-orbit departure propellant, reentry heatshield, and parachutes) would need to be subtracted from the mass of the payload that could be delivered to the moon's surface.

The fourth program of lunar exploration, Lunar Exploration Systems for Apollo (LESA), avoided this inefficiency.
LESA is the way to go.

Thomas Paine get's killed in WWII, or Jim Webb chose someone else late 1968, probably George Low.
Low, a cold-headed pragmatic, decides to follow Nixon transition team on space advice. Digging further, he see that LESA match exactly what Townes recommended to Nixon.

Then, on July 25 1969, Low flies with Nixon to the USS Hornet carrier, to welcome the apollo 11 crew.
While in the helicopter, Low rapidly brief Nixon on LESA. Icing on the cake, with so many Saturn V needed for LESA, "their price will drop substantially."

In september 1969 Apollo flights 11 through 20 are stretched to 1976. This give NASA time to develop LESA systems...

More on LESA here

http://www.astronautix.com/craft/lesrbase.htm
 
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nice find Archibald

I begin to hate Thomas Paine and also STG "2001" Madness

with out Paine and STG, Apollo had went true. including Saturn V production

on Apollo 18 to 20
i belief the would had exended mission 3-4 days on lunar surface
pushing LM hardware to limit
 
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How about the Russian Moon project is on target, not the gigantic failure it was. With the Soviets looking to head up Moon bases, or at least seeming to monopolise the Moon missions, then the USA has a strategic goal in focusing more on such things

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 

Archibald

Banned
How about the Russian Moon project is on target, not the gigantic failure it was. With the Soviets looking to head up Moon bases, or at least seeming to monopolise the Moon missions, then the USA has a strategic goal in focusing more on such things

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

Here's a nice little alt history :)

More seriously, here's the second generation soviet lunar landing program
L3M, N1F

The idea is basically to uprate the N1 with cryogenic upper stages, and use two of them for every mission (!)
Each N1 launch half of the lunar lander (ascent and descent stages); the two parts join around the Moon, and the whole thing land.
The ascent stage return the astronauts from the lunar surface to Earth directly.

L3M Vs LESA: that would be great !
 

Archibald

Banned
nice find Archibald

I begin to hate Thomas Paine and also STG "2001" Madness

with out Paine and STG, Apollo had went true. including Saturn V production

on Apollo 18 to 20
i belief that had exended mission 3-4 days on lunar surface
pushing LM hardware to limit

Culprit is also Webb: he did not made any long range planning because that would have had threatened Apollo. After all he had been hired by Kennedy to achieve his dream - put a man on the moon before the decade is out, at every cost - so NASA future did not mattered.

You'll really need George Low as NASA admini instead of Paine.
Low was a pragmatic, and the man behind Apollo 8.
Even better, Low directed Reagan transition time on space in 1980 !

Maybe that could be our POD.
"After the outstanding success of Apollo 8, In January 1968 George Low become NASA administrator."
 

Archibald

Banned
I studied LESA further.

Big problem: CSM + Lunar Module are still used for crew delivery. That's not very efficient.

The soviet way is better. If applied to Apollo, the Command Module would be mounted ontop of the LM.
No lunar orbit rendez-vous.
Maybe the LM and CSM could have "fusionned" over the long term, resulting in a NASA variant of this
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/l3m1972.htm

LESA, however, had a big logistic vehicle landing directly on the lunar
surface: the LESA shelter or LLV.
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/leselter.htm

Maybe the LLV could eveolve into a crew delivery vehicle...
 
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I studied LESA further.

Big problem: CSM + Lunar Module are still used for crew delivery. That's not very efficient.

The soviet way is better. If applied to Apollo, the Command Module would be mounted ontop of the LM.
No lunar orbit rendez-vous.
Maybe the LM and CSM could have "fusionned" over the long term, resulting in a NASA variant of this

here real proposal for that
Lockheed - "Lockheed 6-man Apollo"
it replace LM the descent stage by Lox/Lh2 and put Apollo CM on ascent stage.

NAR proposed "ADMA/SM"
a 6-man CSM on descent stage with Lox/Lh2
 
Culprit is also Webb: he did not made any long range planning because that would have had threatened Apollo. After all he had been hired by Kennedy to achieve his dream - put a man on the moon before the decade is out, at every cost - so NASA future did not mattered.

You'll really need George Low as NASA admini instead of Paine.
Low was a pragmatic, and the man behind Apollo 8.
Even better, Low directed Reagan transition time on space in 1980 !

Maybe that could be our POD.
"After the outstanding success of Apollo 8, In January 1968 George Low become NASA administrator."

Hm, Low as third NASA administrator...I've hit a roadblock on my NASA TL in trying to reboot it. I thought of getting rid of Paine as the POD, the only problem is who to replace him with?

EDIT: Oh, by the way, you don't need to *kill* Paine; you merely need Nixon to accept his OTL 1969 resignation letter (in January, just after Nixon took office) instead of rejecting it. *Much* smaller POD, should get similar effect. You might want Nixon to want to intervene more heavily in space--put his own stamp on it to replace the fingerprints of Kennedy/Johnson, as it were.
 
hmm, I'm fairly ignorant about space exploration after 1969, but how plausible is it to put a hubble-type telescope in a manned observatory on the far side of the moon?
 

Cook

Banned
hmm, I'm fairly ignorant about space exploration after 1969, but how plausible is it to put a hubble-type telescope in a manned observatory on the far side of the moon?


An array of 7 x 1m reflector telescopes on this side spread over a few kilometres would be fantastic. They wouldn’t need to be on the far side for visible light astronomy. And a manned facility would not be necessary. Once set up it’d be fine operating by remote control.

You only need to go to the far side for radio astronomy so you can use the Moon to block out man made radio signals.
 

Archibald

Banned
To suppress the LM I think about landing the CSM on the Moon. That must be doable.
In fact this would be a CSM/LM hybrid; basically a CSM with the LM descent engine and four landing legs.
 
An array of 7 x 1m reflector telescopes on this side spread over a few kilometres would be fantastic. They wouldn’t need to be on the far side for visible light astronomy. And a manned facility would not be necessary. Once set up it’d be fine operating by remote control.

You only need to go to the far side for radio astronomy so you can use the Moon to block out man made radio signals.

Well, there's also the benefit of longer exposure. On Hubble, you have a few minutes to target an object. On the moon, you'd have hours or days to do so.

Anyway, why not a reusable lunar module? Think: Giant ascent stage capable of supporting 5 people down to lunar surface and back, with hydrogen/oxygen fuel and landing legs. First mission delivers it to lunar orbit. Second mission puts a crew and fuel in (tanks can be swapped out like batteries, or we can develop on-orbit refueling) so that they land and return from lunar surface. Then, they leave the module in orbit for the next mission to use. How feasible is this?

Would it be possible to have next-generation Saturns? Big ones with extra motors to put 260 metric tonnes in LEO, to throw whole lunar bases at the moon at once? Or even that really nutty 500 tonne to orbit model? 4 Saturn S-1C and S-II stages lashed together?
 

Archibald

Banned
The year was 1943. Now the US Navy pushed the Japanese Navy back, inflicting severe losses in the process.

USS Pompon had departed Brisbane on 12 September for the second patrol - en route to her area in the South china Sea north of singapore.

"Hey Thomas. How do you feel ?" George Washington grinned at the young officer. To think their cook was named Ben Franklin !

"We may have some training before hitting the japs hard. Looks there's a Liberty ship hanging around... perfect target."
"Indeed, but.." Paine never termined its sentence. Another officer come shouting "friendly fire ! we are under attack by our fellow !"

The last thing Paine heard was a huge bang, and cascading water turned their Gato class submarine into hell.

No-one escaped alive.
 

Archibald

Banned
William Anders
"We are now approaching lunar sunrise and, for all the people back on Earth, the crew of Apollo 8 has a message that we would like to send to you.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Jim Lovell
"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Frank Borman

"And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
And from the crew of Apollo 8, we close with good night, good luck, a Merry Christmas – and God bless all of you, all of you on the good Earth."

George Wilhem Low was living a dream. It was really its career highlight - and he had been key in the decision process leading this three man orbiting the Moon, not Earth.
 
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Archibald

Banned
THE CLOCK marked 8:45 in the morning in Houston, Texas, when Manager of the Apollo Spacecraft Program Office George Low met Bob Gilruth. The day was August 9, 1968 - probably one of the busiest day in Low's life.

At 9: 00, Low and Gilruth met with Chris Kraft. And Low dropped the bombshell.
"Apollo 6 pogo problems have been solved”. Low referred to the second flight of the giant Saturn V rocket, which had been plagued by destructive vibrations – pogo - on April 4. “CSM-103 is a very mature spacecraft. Gentleman, we should turn Apollo 8 into a lunar orbit mission. It’s now or never."
Gilruth was highly enthusiastic. So was Kraft.
"George, the mission is technically feasible from ground control and spacecraft computer standpoint. I'm with you." The three men started to pull strings across NASA and the United States.

At 9:30 a.m. Low, Gilruth and Kraft met astronauts boss Donald “Deke” Slayton, and they unanimously decided to seek support from Wernher von Braun and Apollo Program Director Samuel Phillips. Gilruth called von Braun and, after briefly outlining the plan, asked if they could meet in Huntsville, Alabama, that afternoon. Low called Phillips, who was at the Kennedy Spaceflight Center, Florida, and asked whether he and KSC Director Kurt Debus could participate.
The meeting was set up for 2:30.

Five hours later, Low entered Marshall Spaceflight Center auditorium. Key people in the Apollo program were all there. They were Werner Von Braun, Eberhard Rees, Lee James, Ludie Richard, Phillips and George Hage, Kurt Debus and Rocco Petrone, Gilruth, Kraft, Slayton - for seven years these men had devoted their lives to Kennedy great endeavour, landing a man on the Moon before the decade was out.
"Yes, we can fly a lunar orbit mission in six months. The hardware is ready. This is technically feasible if Apollo 7 proves successful. If not, well, Apollo 8 will simply orbit Earth as planned. Chris ?"
"I'm with George. Let me insist on the fact that we have to orbit the moon, not simply flyby it. This way we strengthen the case for a lunar Apollo 8; the crew will snap pictures of future landing sites for a day. Sam, a word about Kennedy Space Center ?"
"I'm go. I can't see any obstacle to launch before December 1"
Neither Marshall engineers found any difficulties. Gi:ruth just said " I'm go, to. We only need to look at the differences between spacecraft 103 and 106 and find a substitute for the LM."
"Okay, thank you all. We are technically go. Now we need to convince top management. You know that Mueller and Webb attend the UNISPACE conference in Vienna. I suggest we meet in Washington next week - August 14. This will be decision day. Sam ?"
Phillips continued "Well, if we agree this day I will then go to Vienna and discuss the plan with Mueller and Webb."
Low days was not over. He had another meeting later in the evening - to find a substitute to the lunar module and ensure North American Apollo moonship was ready.


London University College.

“I believe that the exploitation of space is limited in concept and extent by the very high cost of putting payload into orbit, and the inaccessibility of objects after they have been launched. Therefore, I would forecast that the next major thrust in space will be the development of an economical launch vehicle for shuttling between Earth and the installations, such as the orbiting space stations which will soon be operating in space […]

Essential to the continuous operation of the space station will be the capability to resupply expendables as well as to change and/or augment crews and laboratory equipment.... Our studies show that using today's hardware, the resupply cost for a year equals the original cost of the space station […]
…Therefore, there is a real requirement for an efficient earth-to-orbit transportation system-an economical space shuttle.... The shuttle ideally would be able to operate in a mode similar to that of large commercial air transports and be compatible with the environment of major airports.... The cockpit of the space shuttle would be similar to that of the large intercontinental jet aircraft, containing all instrumentation essential to complete on-board checkout.... Interestingly enough, the basic design described above for an economical space shuttle from earth to orbit could also be applied to terrestrial point-to-point transport […]

The Space Shuttle is another step toward our destiny, another hand-hold on our future. We will go where we choose-on our earth-throughout our solar system and through our galaxy-eventually to live on other worlds of our universe. Man will never be satisfied with less than that"
(George E. Mueller to the British Interplanetary Society, London, August 10 1968)



August 14
Washington

“I can’t accept your idea. Apollo 7 has yet to fly, in October. Don’t come to Vienna; I’ll meet you as soon as possible, not before August 22.” While the meeting was in progress, Mueller had called from Vienna to talk to Phillips.
“We can’t wait so long, that’s why I insist to meet you in Austria.”
“Well, you’d better keep going at lower pace until August 22. What does Paine think about your project ?”
“Well, not too long before we were making a decision whether to man the third Saturn V, and now we are proposing a bold mission. Gentlemen, I need your opinion” Paine asked for comments by those around the table. Von Braun shot first.
“Once you decide to man Saturn V it does not matter how far you go. It’s our only chance to get to the moon before the end of 1969. I have no technical reservations. Our lunar capability will be enhanced by flying this mission; although this may not be the only way to meet our goal, it enhances our possibility. There is always risk, but this is in path of less risk. In fact, the minimum risk of all Apollo plans. Assuming Apollo 7 is a success there is no other choice.”
“I like this open-minded behaviour.” Paine continued. ”You are not prisoners of previous plans; I personally feel sending Apollo 8 into lunar orbit is the right thing to do. Sam ?”
“Ok, I won’t go to Vienna. I’ll meet Mueller next week; but time is critical, so I‘ll try to convince him by phone before that. Now we have to convince James Webb. Apollo 7 will be crucial.”

August 18
For the first time in ten days Low relaxed in his office. He really need holidays...and had interrupted the said holidays to push the Apollo 8 decision !

Doesn’t matter, the decision had been made. The last three days had been exhausting; he could see how Sam Philips face was marked.
On August 15 Phillips and Paine had phoned to Vienna to discuss the plan with Webb. Webb wanted to think about it, and requested further information by diplomatic carrier. He had been shocked and fairly negative. So Paine and Philips had sent Webb a lengthy discourse on why the mission should be changed.
“He will change his mind with a successful Apollo 7 mission.” Philips told Low. “By the way, Mueller sidded with us. He now agree the plan, with reserve. No full announcement will be made until after the Apollo 7 flight; then, it will be announced that Saturn V number three will be manned and possible missions are being studied. An internal document will be prepared for a planned lunar orbit for December. “
 
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