Anything but Red

Has anyone looked into what would have happened if the Germans armed forces in WWII had decided that the end was near after Cherbourg was captured or the Avranches breakout and decided to help as much as possible the Western powers in holding back Russia? We are talking all German forces pulled from the Western and Italian fronts and sent to the Eastern one in an semi-orderly fashion. This would imply Hitler being killed and his cronies out of commission or something similar.

The only western Allied casulties would be airmen strafing german troops firing in self-defense during the transfer. The american and brits would be suspicious at first and advance slowly but reports would be coming in from all over that all german troops are fighting russian ones in eastern Poland. We can imagine the western front troops controlling all of Germany and western Poland by late fall 1944 and the italian front ones in Yugoslavia, Hungary, Austria and the Czech republic at the same time. Russia would only occupy the rest of Poland, Slovakia and Romania. Greece was liberated all by itself.

Stalin would be furious and call it a western backstabbing imagining that the Nazis had done some last minute bargaining but the Americans and British repeat that no such deal was made. How would that affect the Potsdam conference and the rest of History?
 

LittleSpeer

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Patton would get his wet dream and push all the way to the Urals. Many important Russian cites would be nuked and Germany would get off easier as they help/gave in sooner.
 
If the allies over run German factories, and eventually the rear-areas of Germany's Eastern front, where are the German East front forces going to get supplies from?

The scenario only works for me if the Allies show how ally with the Germans or agree to advance to say Germany's 1939 border and no further.
 

LittleSpeer

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this will make it seem that Stalin is weak and he cant hav that since he was just invaded and needs to show his strength. His plan would be to hold the Allies off untill they had lost enough men to surrender. Then came the Bomb.
 
this will make it seem that Stalin is weak and he cant hav that since he was just invaded and needs to show his strength. His plan would be to hold the Allies off untill they had lost enough men to surrender. Then came the Bomb.


I really odnt think the USSR would have surrendered from two nuclear blasts to be honest, that wouldnt have even destroyed Moscow
 
The war would come to a natural end since the German forces would run out of supplies " à la Battle of the Bulge". I think also that much less emphasis would be put in destroying the manufacturing infrastructure but rather in controlling or expropriating it. Attacking German plants and refineries make sense to reduce their war supplies but when you are faced with no opposition, it would be more tempting for the West to divert those supplies to benefit your own side or at least just shut them down and slowly strangle the German war machine.

I don't believe that the american public would stand another fight all the way to Moscow. The allied troops would meet, the war would end but it would be in the middle of Poland instead of west of Berlin.

The end result would be that the Western powers would be controlling a much larger portion of Europe and Germany would be solely in their possession. How would that go in a future Potsdam conference? Would the allies still agree to split up Germany and Eastern Europe or would the americans prefer a solid denazified bulwark againt communism? What would be the course of Europe without the devastation caused by the ground and air war from July 44 to V-E day and a Germany in all its integrity?
 
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