Any way to wreck the USSR enought to prevent the cold war?

I watched a documentary about Churchill views on the soviets on WWII, and he believed that the germans would bleed the soviets dry and so the western allies would invade and take most of the western europe leaving the USSR as a poor, backwards states with their 1939 borders (or even the borders of the treaty of Riga), but as we know the soviets took the entire eastern europe

What is necessary to make Churchill plan work? Could a German victory at Stalingrad or Kursk, or the lack of a land lease to the soviet union make that happen?
 
The destruction of the Baku oilfields would probably do the trick. I don't think the USSR could import enough oil to make up for the ensuing shortage. A more successful case blue might cause the oilfields to be destroyed before being abandoned to the advancing Germans.
 
The destruction of the Baku oilfields would probably do the trick. I don't think the USSR could import enough oil to make up for the ensuing shortage. A more successful case blue might cause the oilfields to be destroyed before being abandoned to the advancing Germans.

So if the allies do not give the land lease to the USSR, and the germans succesfully capture Baku, but they still lose the war in the west and have to retreat, is the situation in europe after the war?
 

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Well, there's a few things to consider. Is the goal defeat of Germany and the Soviet Union both? What time frame is being considered? Is this a coordinated effort on part of the Western Allies?

If we're looking at a "Germany just does a bit better" timeline, then there's a few things that would significantly increase duration of the war, and overall losses.

First of all, Leningrad must fall. This significantly hampered the progress and overall situation of Army Group North.

Second, when it's clear Stalingrad will not be encircled in the initial offensive, pause for reorganization and preparations for another offensive with the sole aim of encircling the city should be taken. Regardless of the outcome, it's crucial that the Germans do not enter Stalingrad directly, and that 6th Army and accompanying forces not become total losses.

Assuming an improved general situation for Army Group South, Kharkov is perhaps replaced by Kursk itself, shortening the line, and forgoing a major strategic offensive on the Eastern Front.

Next, Army Group Center must not collapse, no matter what. It may be defeated, it may be pushed back, but it must. not. collapse.

All put together, this may extend the war into 1946, assuming the Allies do not land in France in 1944. Greece and then the Balkans would be good alternatives.

D-day in 45, and procede as OTL.


From the Allied end, all efforts should be made to rebuild recaptured infrastructure and production centers. European troops will be needed if a death blow is not delivered quickly. German equipment would be a viable choice for equipping French, Belgian, Dutch, and Yugoslavian troops.


Using initial Allied forces, strikes must be made Northwest from Allied Holdings in the Balkans and Romania, and Northeast from the Elbe, aimed at the Greifswald area. Operational goals will be encirclment and destruction of as many Soviet Units as possible, creation of a salient into Allied lines around the Berlin area, clearing the Soviets from the North German plain, and securing their Northern flank against the Baltic coast.

Ideally, sizable Soviet formations have been trapped in a pocket in Northern Germany, important allied lines have been secured against counterattack in the South by seizing of the mountainous regions of centeral Europe and hopefully encirclment of additional Soviet troops in the Southern offensive.

From here, Eastern Germany and Western Poland can be cleared by simulations thrusts from the South out of Czechoslovakia and in the North from Greifswald. Soviet positions must be abandoned or face encirclment and annihilation.

If all goes reasonably well, significant Soviet formations have been destroyed, and their overall situation has been greatly compromised. Capitalizing on their extended supply train, remaining Soviet armies can be operationally immobilized as the German army was in 44 and 45.

After Poland is liberated, perhaps the Soviets accept peace on terms of antebellum borders. Or maybe not. In either case, as soon as is possible, extensive nuclear strikes must be carried out against Leningrad, Stalingrad, Moscow, Kursk, and if possible Tankograd.

Bomb everything on the Pacific Coast and in the Baltic and Black Sea with carrier aircraft, and shell the absolute hell out of Sebastopol.

Show the Soviets just how incapable of waging war against the Western Allies they really are.
 
The most I can see is the Soviets are left in a weakened enough position they back off on keeping Poland. The problem is can you really expect the Western Allies to somehow manage to march with occupying most of Western Europe or deal with a repeat of the last German offensive in WW2 with troops from the East?
 
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