Any suggestions (or help) for a Philippine timeline?

I noticed that many of Philippine-centered timeline goes into hiatus. But I have one idea. (I know it's redundant, but I just really wanted to have one timeline of its kind)

1823

- Andres Novales entered all of the forts in Manila. Some elements of the
colonial army and navy supported him.
- He declared the independence of the Philippine Empire.
- At a constitutional assembly, it was agreed that Philippines will be ruled by a
Constitutional monarchy.
- At the end of the year, they captured most of the Spanish Philippine Islands.
- The Sultanate of Sulu may take the chance to expand its territories or
intensify its piracy.

1824

- The piracy or invasion of Sulu resulted in a rather short war between Sulu and
Philippines, resulting in partial victory for Philippines.
- A treaty of friendship is declared between the two states. Piracy will cease in
exchange of favorable trade.

Extra questions

Is it plausible that Philippines will annex the entirety of Indonesia and Malaya?
An Indochinese puppet of the Philippines? A destined war between Philippines and
Japan can divide China into two; South China puppeted by Philippines and the
northern states controlled by the Japanese. What about, Philippine Malagasy?

I really need your help. If you think you can give some, I really give you big thanks.
 
Good TL idea, but let's be realistic; if the Philippine Empire want to expand beyond its borders, just settle on North Borneo.
 
My take on this is an independent Philippines would crush the Moros in any naval battle. Philippines would repel any piracy in christian lands outside mindanao. This is the 19th century after all wherein the Moros tech and wealth is still at the 16th century level.

With regards to Philippine expansion and policy, Philippines would be focused on the China and British trade. Mindanao would probably be dominated by philippines. sulu islands will most likely not be annexed due to it being isolated and far from capable of creating trouble in the main islands.

North Borneo is not worth to conquer or focus on until the late 19th century early 20th century once oil is discovered there.

Since Philippines would have a head start over Japan, there would be competition between them in the pacific since I assume Philipines would be in control of all the spanish East Indies by 1820s assuming Japanese focuses on the pacific like otl.

I don't know how this wil affect the sino-japanese war in 1890s. Maybe Japanese policy would be more mainland Asia focus rather pacific focus due Philippines head start.

With regards to south east Asia, south East Asian locals might ask support from philippines for their respective independence by 19th century. Like how will the aceh war go if there philippines support them financially or military. or can the French win vietnam if a British-philippine forces supports vietnam locals. More or less, it would push the timeline for south East Asian nationalism.

Will China still give up Hong Kong if philippines gives Britain trade concession in manila. Manila has direct China trade even before the Spanish arrived. The Chinese have been trading more with Manila more than the Japanese before colonial times. So does this create no more need for a Hong Kong base when the British has the Manila-China trade.

There are a lot of question that needs to be answered since you are putting independent wesern nation in Asia with the capability of pushin around/affecting a lot of the neighbors otl history.
 
Why?

Hmm, I do think so. But can we put up puppet states around? Maybe we can pass a legislation about "protection"? Passed by a Philippine radical party.

List of Puppets of Philippines

Indonesia
Malaya
Indochina
Southern China (ruled perhaps by a revived Song Dynasty?)

" Japan

Manchuria
Mongolia
Uyghur
 
Conquering Sulu

Regarding about expansion to Sulu, we still need to develop our navy. I think Philippines is able to annex Sulu by 1825 or 1826. One more thing, what is the motive of the White Sultan of Sarawak in taking over the control of Sarawak?

For the ones with expertise in European History, pardon me as I'm a noob here, but please help me.
 
Asian War

Maybe, the aftermath of the destined war in Asia will be China's balkanization.

Asia war

Allied

Philippines
Britain
France (or Indochina, if became independent)
South China
United States
Mexico (Due to Chinese products and liberal trade)
Some other independent Asian states under Philippine influence

Japanese

Japan itself (including Korea)
Manchuria
Mongolia

What do you think?
 
Thinking on this, Asian nationalism may take a very different turn. Nationalism in general may go weird. This is a generation before the 1848 Revolutions, which is in turn a generation before Meiji, which is in turn a generation before the bloody wars in China and the Philippines.

Also, Malaysia and Indonesia are not things yet, at this point. North Borneo remains turbulent and pirate-ridden. Malaya, itself a loose federation of sultanates, is about to be transferred to the British as the Dutch and British conduct trade wars, and the Dutch seem to be losing. And the rest of the South is a loose smattering of outposts and sultanates.

China has just recently seen the rise of the weak Daoguang Emperor. The Tokugawas are plugging along, though the pressure may be rising against them. Korea is also chugging along.
 
What about Luzon turning into a nation in the same vein of Mindanao w/c has bisaya as linguafranca instead of being divided between ilocanos and tagalogs and have a Luzon dominated by Kapampangans.
 
An earlier independent Philippines might push Japanese modernization ahead of schedule. Not to mention the possible butterflies to China and Korea.

I've been also attempting to write a timeline, whether in 1823 or around 1890s.
 
Regarding about expansion to Sulu, we still need to develop our navy. I think Philippines is able to annex Sulu by 1825 or 1826. One more thing, what is the motive of the White Sultan of Sarawak in taking over the control of Sarawak?

For the ones with expertise in European History, pardon me as I'm a noob here, but please help me.

You did say some elements of the army and navy joined him. It is quite possible that most of those in the Spanish Indies will join Novales in such a scenario. There were still Insulares serving and the Insulares and the creoles/mestizos are more populated to fill in the ranks.

Even with a smaller Navy than Spain due to the Spanish navy joining Novales, Philippines still would have a western navy. A western Navy in 1820s is still far superior than a Moro ship which is medieval tech.

Maybe, the aftermath of the destined war in Asia will be China's balkanization.

Asia war

Allied

Philippines
Britain
France (or Indochina, if became independent)
South China
United States
Mexico (Due to Chinese products and liberal trade)
Some other independent Asian states under Philippine influence

Japanese

Japan itself (including Korea)
Manchuria
Mongolia

What do you think?

It sums up to British blessing and Philippine internal industrialization by 1850s. The French, USA and Mexicans are not assured to even create a colony in South East Asia. For the current year of the ATL, its just the British.

Philippine interest would be more with trading with China before 1850s especially since they are trading with China while the west is forbidden to trade with China. So, disrupting Chinese stability is bad for business.

Just like all developing western nation they would be after natural resources especially Oil. Borneo would qualify for this but in the late 19th century, early 20th century. between 1820s until the discovery of oil, Borneo should be far from Philippines mind.

What about Luzon turning into a nation in the same vein of Mindanao w/c has bisaya as linguafranca instead of being divided between ilocanos and tagalogs and have a Luzon dominated by Kapampangans.

The Filipinos would have the same problem as the Mexicans in OTL. Multiple local languages more populated than the Spanish speaking elite which can easily be solved by a national education system and one generation hence.

Even though they rebelled from Spain, the only thing that would unite the islands is Spain/Spanish.
 
The Filipinos would have the same problem as the Mexicans in OTL. Multiple local languages more populated than the Spanish speaking elite which can easily be solved by a national education system and one generation hence.

Even though they rebelled from Spain, the only thing that would unite the islands is Spain/Spanish.

I am fine with spanish as linguafranca of the philippines as long as Luzon has Kapampangan as Linguafranca, not with the ilocano-tagalog divide we have because it can stand on its own feet like mindanao is now.
 
I am fine with spanish as linguafranca of the philippines as long as Luzon has Kapampangan as Linguafranca, not with the ilocano-tagalog divide we have because it can stand on its own feet like mindanao is now.

Doubt it.

It is the 19th century. Philippines need to be recognized by the west as an equal. Multiple languages would result to less unified nation.

The way I see it, Philippine language demographics would be more like Mexico, All Local languages shrinking to the point of it being just 5% or less total population. So in a way, these dialects/languages in OTL would be dying or extinct by present day ATL.

Besides with what I mentioned, Pampanga isnt the most populated language/region in the 1820s. Tagalogs have always been the dominant population in the Philippines until OTL modern day wherein other regions/languages had higher population growth.

In order for tagalogs to be less populated and pampanga to be dominant, somehow before prehispanic times, Pampanga should be ruling Manila down to batangas and Mindoro like the prehispanic kingodms in those areas. Otherwise, if Pampanga is stuck within the current OTL area, population wont settle since business will flow thru the Tagalog region aka Manila.

You can say that what you want doesnt qualify within the OPs PoD but it is still possible with the right PoD.
 
Besides with what I mentioned, Pampanga isnt the most populated language/region in the 1820s. Tagalogs have always been the dominant population in the Philippines until OTL modern day wherein other regions/languages had higher population growth.

In order for tagalogs to be less populated and pampanga to be dominant, somehow before prehispanic times, Pampanga should be ruling Manila down to batangas and Mindoro like the prehispanic kingodms in those areas. Otherwise, if Pampanga is stuck within the current OTL area, population wont settle since business will flow thru the Tagalog region aka Manila.

You can say that what you want doesnt qualify within the OPs PoD but it is still possible with the right PoD.

He is asking for a possible timeline so i am basically suggesting a different POD.

There is no need for Pampanga to be ruling Batangas - because the Northern part of Manila north of Pasig River was not Tagalog speaking, this changed due to linguistic change brought by the spanish indirectly favoring the tagalogs and due to what the macabebeans did.
 
He is asking for a possible timeline so i am basically suggesting a different POD.

There is no need for Pampanga to be ruling Batangas - because the Northern part of Manila north of Pasig River was not Tagalog speaking, this changed due to linguistic change brought by the spanish indirectly favoring the tagalogs and due to what the macabebeans did.

I am sure that pod is doable but more research intensive.

But regardless of this talk of pampanga, it boils down to having multiple languages will limit unity for 1820s filipinos and the west will look twice recognizing the local government.

All these local languages need to die or shrink if Philippines wants to dominate or even survive 19th century onwards. Otherwise you will get obssession for regionalism and their respective languages.
 
so, in essence, an 1820s Empire of the Indies will be very different, culturally speaking. Spanish will most likely kill off the majority of Austronesian languages from Ilocos to Davao.

btw, who else is prominent at this point in time, who can perhaps act as "Founding Fathers" of some sort? i mean, the most famous would be The Filipino Count Varela himself, but obviously he wasn't the only one.

and there was that stuff about a bunch of Insulares getting exiled.
 
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