Any Possibility That Nixon Never Resigns?

I object to that! Slander is spoken. In print its libel.:p And Ford deserves both the libel, IF LIBEL IT IS,:rolleyes: as well as his subsequent defeat in 1976, helped in no small part by that payof-uh, I mean, "mercy";)

Sorry it was liibel. There is no evidence that Ford made a deal with Nixon. He did it to end watergate. He thought it was the right thing to do. It cost him another four years in the White House.
 
Sorry it was liibel. There is no evidence that Ford made a deal with Nixon. He did it to end watergate. He thought it was the right thing to do. It cost him another four years in the White House.

Indeed. I don't agree with what Ford did, but I understand and respect his reasoning for doing so. He did what he felt was right at the cost of an election when he could have easily punted the decision until after election day 1976. The reason why Ford got the Vice Presidency is because the Democrats refused to confirm anyone other than Ford to replace Agnew...they didn't want to line up a successor to Nixon in the upcoming election.
 
) Nixon goes off the deep end and winds up clinically insane. Institutionalized
2) Nixon suffers debilitating sroke, heart attack or other major health issue. Dies in office
3) Air Force One or Marine One suffer major accidents. 100% mortality
4) Impeachment process goes through, removed from office
5) Assasination by disgruntled American,.
6) Assasination by Egyptian military and/or Muslim Brotherhood following Yom Kipper War
7) Impeachment process stalls, finishes second term
8) Woodward and Burnstein cannot get along story dies out
9) Deep Throat (Mark Felt and the greastest nom de plume in history) keeps silent

There plenty of scenarios where Nixon would never resign. Most of them not good
 
8) Woodward and Burnstein cannot get along story dies out
9) Deep Throat (Mark Felt and the greastest nom de plume in history) keeps silent

Without Deep Throat and Woodardsnf and Bernstien, the investigation goes on and the predident still resigns.
 
) Nixon goes off the deep end and winds up clinically insane. Institutionalized *his heart would go first*
2) Nixon suffers debilitating sroke, heart attack or other major health issue. Dies in office*nearly happened as it was*
3) Air Force One or Marine One suffer major accidents. 100% mortality*The first is all but impossible, the second IDK...:confused:*
4) Impeachment process goes through, removed from office*Yes*
5) Assassination by disgruntled American *Crazed American, too many things were already going against Nixon for an individual to be "disgruntled". The more rabidly anti-Nixon Dems and far right Republicans were either thrilled or at least pleased by the events*
6) Assassination by Egyptian military and/or Muslim Brotherhood following Yom Kipper War*You're giving both groups way too much credit*
7) Impeachment process stalls, finishes second term*It was already taking too long, and with Republican defections (lead by Connecticut's Lowell Weicker) Nixon's holding out for another two years, five months, and 11 days wasn't in the cards. Just look at the circumstances of Andrew Johnson's impeachment. He was only months from leaving office, but the Radical Republicans still worked day and night to Remove him.*
8) Woodward and Bernstein cannot get along story dies out*Woodward could have done it on his own, he just would have taken somewhat longer. And that's assuming Ben Bradlee doesn't simply assign him someone else as his partner. Bernstein was very much the "Robin" of that "Dynamic Duo"*
9) Deep Throat (Mark Felt and the greatest nom de plume in history) keeps silent *possible, he was a deeply conflicted man*

There plenty of scenarios where Nixon would never resign. Most of them not good

8) Woodward and Bernstein cannot get along story dies out
9) Deep Throat (Mark Felt and the greatest nom de plume in history) keeps silent

Without Deep Throat and Woodard and Bernstein, the investigation goes on and the president still resigns.

People often forget the many contributions made by the New York Times in the telling of Watergate.

What if Nixon pardoned himself could he still be prosecuted after impeachment?

This assumes then that he's pardoning everybody else? Ford would have an LTD Thunderbird, and would face impeachment himself if he didn't move heaven and earth to undo such nonsense, and Nixon goes to jail for real.

Is that even legal?

Legal or not, the Congress would have to do the following, and using the same speed with which they declared war on Imperial Japan:

a) If he hasn't been impeached yet, bypass the Judiciary Committee and impeach him on a roll-call vote.
b) If he's Impeached, hold an immediate round-the-clock Senate Trial, looking for a Conviction for the purposes of a Removal ASAP.

BTW? If he's Removed, NO PENSION.

No, but this man that said if the president does it-meaning any crime-then it's legal.

He actually said a double negative-that if the president does it then it ISN'T illegal. And he said this to David Frost, not addressing the nation from the Oval Office.:p Even his closest supporters choked on that one. Brings to mind the "if the president stuck up a bank...?"

Then he could get prosecuted for both. No way the Dems would let that fly.

The Courts would beat them to it. OTOH, it might see a new constitutional amendment for this.

No there is nothing in the Constitution that forbids the President from pardoning himself.

I would imagine that in extremis the Warren Supreme Court would have to come to an immediate ruling that indeed, NO person invested with the power of pardoning may have the power to self-pardon. I'm not so sure about the Roberts Court ruling so.
 
The constitution just gives the President the power to pardon. It says nothing about whether he can pardon himself. So I think any Supreme Court would have allowed President Agnew to pardon himself.
 
The constitution just gives the President the power to pardon. It says nothing about whether he can pardon himself. So I think any Supreme Court would have allowed President Agnew to pardon himself.

Then the US Congress ITTL's post-1974/76 Democratic landslides gets to work Impeaching some corrupt (or hopelessly ivory-towered) SCOTUS justices.

Remember that many of the members of the Supreme Court were put there by Nixon (Nixon's Revenge). Bad enough if the Executive Branch "pardons itself" in some kind of perceived "payoff" or "deal". But if the Judicial Branch is seen as going along with it in the name of saving "their guy", it could easily provoke a constitutional crisis based on the Separation of Powers, with the rights of Congress being breached by gross abuses of the Executive and malfeasances of the Judiciary.

Also, Warren Burger was no Roberts, never mind a Rehnquist. Once Earl Warren retired, the Court lacked any serious strong central leadership. Only now has Roberts even made the attempt at some kind of consensus in a few decisions. No way in HELL does a Burger Court roll over on something like this. Though I can well understand someone who grew up after the 1970s believing otherwise.:(
 
If Congress had passed a bill getting rid of the presidential retirement money then this is much more likely.
 
This TL inspired me to talk about our memories of Nixon's resignation with friends. Yes I am that old. Mu memory was very clear I was at camp, We had planned a campout that night. Thankfully one guy brought a radio. He gave us bulletins. I thought that ITTL, I don't know if I would have been back from camp by the time the Articles of Impeachment were drafted by the full House, but I assume the Senate trail would have been in November. I could have watched that on TV from the comfort of my living tool.
 
If Congress had passed a bill getting rid of the presidential retirement money then this is much more likely.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean? (NO SARCASM) By US law, no pension is enjoyed by a US President who is Convicted & Removed by the US Senate in a Senate Trial. The House doing an Impeachment legally is only an indictment, no effect on Nixon's pension.

This TL inspired me to talk about our memories of Nixon's resignation with friends. Yes I am that old. Mu memory was very clear I was at camp, We had planned a campout that night. Thankfully one guy brought a radio. He gave us bulletins. I thought that ITTL, I don't know if I would have been back from camp by the time the Articles of Impeachment were drafted by the full House, but I assume the Senate trail would have been in November. I could have watched that on TV from the comfort of my living tool.

You and I appear to be about the same age.

The US House Judiciary Committee was already voting on Articles of Impeachment. I was at a vacation trailer park in Maine with my family. We were listening via AM radio to the individual congressional votes on each article as they came out.

The one most significant that I can remember was that they voted down impeaching Nixon for his illegal war in Cambodia. As my mother stated right at that moment: "Its just as well, if they impeached a president every time he did something the Congress didn't like, no president would ever last four years." I just wish the Gingrich Congress had my mother's level of wisdom.:rolleyes::p

IDK if the Judiciary Committee ever reached the point of formally submitting the final Articles of Impeachment to the full House on the floor or not, but I don't think so. By then, the Nixon Presidency was in its last hours, not just days.
 
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