Any chance of a resurgent Mongol Empire?

I've been wondering while reading about the early life of Temujin (a.k.a Genghis Khan) - was there any point, after, say, 1500 for a Mongolian dynasty to reconquer the steppes, or were the European powers at the time simply too modernised/powerful to be held at bay? (Looking at Russia, obviously).
 
I think conquering the steppes is a bit much, but a Mongol state that unifies in the 17th century and controls much of Central Asia is doable. You have to do something about the Qing, though.
 
I think conquering the steppes is a bit much, but a Mongol state that unifies in the 17th century and controls much of Central Asia is doable. You have to do something about the Qing, though.

What could be done about the Qing? Was there any point during their history, except their obvious decline later on, that might have stunted their growth?
 
If they failed to subdue Southern China, they would have had fewer resources to use against the Mongols.
 
I mean Qing itself proved nomads up to the 1700s could do something

India is the traditional weak point, and the population of Persia, a collapsing state, was only 10 millio nor so after temurlan's genocide

Using massed cavalry and light cannon were proven in the end of the 1600s were effective against Russians by Qing. The same tactics, if there was another great leader to rise out of the steppes, could have used them against weak states from the 1700s to the 1800s around them, like Qing, Qajar Persia, and India
 
Qing in the 1700s was hardly a "weak state."

And the Russians had the settled population and basic manufacturing to create a large gunpowder army - a population based on nomadic and semi-nomadic steppe peoples, not so much. You need a settled population under your control before you have the material base for dealing with modern gunpowder armies, I think.

Couldn't we have the Mongols just preempt the Qing? The 16th century Mongols had occasional bursts of strength (they walloped the Ming pretty hard a couple times) and it's hardly inconceivable that they might absorb the nascent Manchu state before it really gets going. http://www.worldhistorymaps.info/images/East-Hem_1500ad.jpg Follow with a less successful attempt to conquer China, and you could get a Mongol state ruling Manchuria, a bit of north China, and central Asia, and a more south-oriented native Chinese dynasty. Of course, the Russians are going to start being a problem...
 
Doesn't Tamerlane count? What if he didn't die when he did? What if the Timurid Empire and the Mughal Empire had a similar relationship as the khanates of old did?

I asked in the second page of this thread what if there was a Tamerlane equivalent in Eastern Europe/Russia, and Russian helpfully explains what would have happened.
 
Well, I'm not sure if I would call the Muslim, Turkish Tamerlane's Samarkand-centered empire a Mongol Empire. And you mean, I presume, that India is conquered by some of his descendants which establish the *Mughal Empire (since Babur et al would be butterflied) with the "Grand Khan" in Samarkand and a subsidiary Khanate (or Khanates) in India? (Not a really stable situation, I'd think. Besides the fact that India is richer than Persia+Central Asia in this period, just judging from OTL they'll have fallen out within a generation or two...)
 
I was more envisioning a Mongol Empire centred on Mongolia rather than just another Mongol dynasty in some other part of Asia. I might do some research into the Qing and see what I can find out. :)
 
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