Any 19th century Naval Order Battle Links, like Navypedia?

raharris1973

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I was impressed at the information and simplicity of presentation on a Navypedia site that LordKalvert pointed for 1900 and every year after that:

For a complete rundown of the naval race on 1/1/1900

http://www.navypedia.org/retro_view/The Naval Balance 1900.pdf

Gives everyone from Argentina to Venezuela

Is there anything similar going year-by-year for the 1800s, at least from the beginning of the steam age?

Also, I see LordKalvert was banned. Was it a punitive thing based on flaming or a self-requested ban to go fishing for awhile?
 
I am actually looking for something along those lines myself. Is there a navy from a particular country that you are looking for? Or are you looking for more of a complete rundown of the nations of the world during that century?
 

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More of a complete rundown of the nations of the world to see the various naval balances between different powers at different times.
 
From what I have gathered thus far, an individual will have to look up information from multiple sites to come up with any thing close to a list. Fortunately, I have quite a bit of information on the United States Navy from the time of its creation up to a few years ago in a book that I inherited. Other than that, there are a few threads that have been posted here in the past that go over not only a rundown of various navies but over armies as well.

I notice that you are looking for the time period of the 1800's but it seems a bit broad. Are you looking for the whole century or specific decades?
 

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http://www.navypedia.org/retro_view/yesterday_index.htm

Well in the link above, it seems to offer at 5 year intervals throughout in the 20th century, the age, class and dimensions of the ships of countries throughout the world, so I could compare the US and Japanese fleets at different points in time.

With similar info on the 19th century it would be easy to compare what Britain, France and the US had in the Civil War

Or to compare the US and Spanish fleets at various points in the 1850s, 1860s, 1870s to estimate who would win an early Spanish-American war

Or to look at the comparative size & qualities of the French & British navies around the Fashoda incident, or the US and German navies during the late 1880s Samoa crisis, etc.
 
http://www.navyandmarine.org/ondeck/1862foreignnavies.htm

This short article goes over the British, French, Russian, and American navies as of 1860.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/sh-fornv/spain/sp-name.htm
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/spanish-american-war-in-the-1850s.185017/

This is a list of ships in the Spanish navy from 1875 on until the final ship on the list was discarded in 1933. The second link below it is a previous discussion about an earlier Spanish-American War and has not only some figures but some useful links as well. Once I dig out some of my books, I'll make sure to post what I find on here.
 

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Interesting data point from
Preparing for Weltpolitik : German Sea Power Before the "Tirpitz" Era
In 1872 the German navy ranked last in size among the six European great powers, but four years later [1876] it passed the Austro-Hungarian navy in total tonnage of warships in commission. In 1880 Germany passed Italy in total tonnage, and by 1882 it trailed only Britain and France in armored tonnage.

Sondhaus never specifies who the six European great powers were, but since he mentions 5 by name I think we can safely assume the missing one is Russia.

So at a rough guess the ranking of these 6 powers was:

in 1872
1) Britain
2) France
3) Russia - ? [but none in the Black Sea, just the Baltic, White and Pacific]
4) Italy
5) Austria-Hungary
6) Germany

in 1876
1) Britain
2) France
3) Russia - ? [but none in the Black Sea, just the Baltic, White and Pacific]
4) Italy
5) Germany
6) Austria-Hungary

in 1880
1) Britain
2) France
3) Russia - ? [but none in the Black Sea, just the Baltic, White and Pacific]
4) Germany
5) Italy
6) Austria-Hungary

in 1882
1) Britain
2) France
3) Germany
4) Russia - ? [but none in the Black Sea, just the Baltic, White and Pacific]
5) Italy
6) Austria-Hungary

Of course listing just these 6 powers begs the question of where other European powers with navies ranked relative to the 6:
The second and third tier powers coming to mind in Europe are Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Ottoman Empire, Denmark and Sweden

Or how they ranked compared to another 7 non-European powers which had armored fleets: United States, Japan, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, China and Mexico.
 
Conways All the World's Fighting Ships 1860-1905 would have the information your looking for. I don't know of anywhere that its online and its a tad expensive but comon enough that any library should be able to find you a copy
 
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