Another unifier of Germany?

After the end of the Napoleonic wars, which other German (not Prussia/Austria) state could unify Germany?
P.S: if Prussia is destined to unify Germany after the Napoleonic wars, what was the latest date for another German state to unify Germany?
I don't who could pull it off maybe a cheeky bit of Bavaria (catholic)
 
After the Napoleonic Wars you had Prussia and Austria as the premier German powers with all the others German minors being too weak to face either of them (let alone both).

You need a 18th century PoD for Bavaria to curb Austria and Prussia to never rise.
 
WI industrialists in the Ruhr Valley dominated the German economy during the late 18th century?
Would their immense wealth be enough to topple the ancien regime?
 
Pre War of Austrian Succession Hannover was considered a powerful Protastant German State, slightly richer and more powerful than Prussia, but then Prussia showed its chops
 
Nah, it's too late. You could maybe have a Saxony-led Germany with a Seven Years War POD, but nothing post-Napoleon is possible.
 
I'd love to see a united Rhinelander/Franconian state pop up in Germany much less unify it (shades of Charlemagne's Riparian Franks!), but I'll never understand how to make that actually happen since the Rhineland was so divided versus the relatively unified realms even in Germany's southwest (Baden, Wurttemberg, etc.) and northwest (Hanover, Mecklenburg, etc.), to say nothing of large Prussia, Bavaria, and Austria.
 
I figure whoever gets the Ruhr in the post-napoleonic shuffle has the best shot. I once toyed with Hanover being awarded the bulk of the coal/iron areas and pulling together the bulk of OTL's West Germany in opposition to Berlin and Vienna.
 
I figure whoever gets the Ruhr in the post-napoleonic shuffle has the best shot. I once toyed with Hanover being awarded the bulk of the coal/iron areas and pulling together the bulk of OTL's West Germany in opposition to Berlin and Vienna.

I doubt that. Prussia was able to unify Germany because it was one of the two great German countries. It also got absurdly lucky at the Congress of Vienna, what with it annexing a large amount of Saxony, taking over the Ruhr, and losing much of Poland to Russia. Losing its Polish territories and gaining vast German territories was an extraordinarily great deal in an era of nationalism, otherwise Prussia would be at risk of being torn apart by the forces of nationalism between its equal German and Polish parts.
 

CaliGuy

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After the end of the Napoleonic wars, which other German (not Prussia/Austria) state could unify Germany?
P.S: if Prussia is destined to unify Germany after the Napoleonic wars, what was the latest date for another German state to unify Germany?
I don't who could pull it off maybe a cheeky bit of Bavaria (catholic)
In a very technical sense, maybe Hanover can pull this off if British Queen Victoria is a boy (and has no hemophilia gene). After all, this would mean that the union of the British and Hanoverian Crowns doesn't end in 1837--which in turn might mean that "King Victor" might be considered to be a good compromise candidate by the Frankfurt Parliament to lead a united Germany in 1848-1849 after the King of Prussia refuses to accept a "crown from the gutter."
 

Thomas1195

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I doubt that. Prussia was able to unify Germany because it was one of the two great German countries. It also got absurdly lucky at the Congress of Vienna, what with it annexing a large amount of Saxony, taking over the Ruhr, and losing much of Poland to Russia. Losing its Polish territories and gaining vast German territories was an extraordinarily great deal in an era of nationalism, otherwise Prussia would be at risk of being torn apart by the forces of nationalism between its equal German and Polish parts.
In a very technical sense, maybe Hanover can pull this off if British Queen Victoria is a boy (and has no hemophilia gene). After all, this would mean that the union of the British and Hanoverian Crowns doesn't end in 1837--which in turn might mean that "King Victor" might be considered to be a good compromise candidate by the Frankfurt Parliament to lead a united Germany in 1848-1849 after the King of Prussia refuses to accept a "crown from the gutter."
Have Nappy abolishing Prussia when he had a chance. Then, have Hannover joining the Coalition and gaining the Ruhr. Thus, the only major German states apart from Austria were Bavaria and Hannover.
 

CaliGuy

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Have Nappy abolishing Prussia when he had a chance. Then, have Hannover joining the Coalition and gaining the Ruhr. Thus, the only major German states apart from Austria were Bavaria and Hannover.
Or reduce Prussia to only East Prussia, for that matter.
 
In a very technical sense, maybe Hanover can pull this off if British Queen Victoria is a boy (and has no hemophilia gene). After all, this would mean that the union of the British and Hanoverian Crowns doesn't end in 1837--which in turn might mean that "King Victor" might be considered to be a good compromise candidate by the Frankfurt Parliament to lead a united Germany in 1848-1849 after the King of Prussia refuses to accept a "crown from the gutter."
But doesn't that lead to an Anglo-German personal union? I can't see France or Austria or Russia--or really anyone else other than Britain and the German revolutionaries--liking that idea at all.
 
In a very technical sense, maybe Hanover can pull this off if British Queen Victoria is a boy (and has no hemophilia gene). After all, this would mean that the union of the British and Hanoverian Crowns doesn't end in 1837--which in turn might mean that "King Victor" might be considered to be a good compromise candidate by the Frankfurt Parliament to lead a united Germany in 1848-1849 after the King of Prussia refuses to accept a "crown from the gutter."
Yeah, no, Parliament's going to throw a fit at the mere thought of having to get involved on the continent like that (they already disliked having Hanover occupy the king's attention, all of Germany's going to drive them wild). Other than that, Napoleon III has a massive aneurysm from the thought of an Anglo-German union, Nicolaus I's head explodes from the thought of a liberal world empire right on his border, Franz Joseph I dies a bit on the inside, Denmark panics, the whole balance of power gets defenestrated and Europe erupts into 7 Years' War Part II.
 
Personal union means that two realms have the same monarch, not necessarily the same government or, most importantly, the same interests.

Saying it not targeting CalliGuy, but it's because I see a lot of people greatly overrating the relationship between Britain and Hanover.
 
After the end of the Napoleonic wars, which other German (not Prussia/Austria) state could unify Germany?
P.S: if Prussia is destined to unify Germany after the Napoleonic wars, what was the latest date for another German state to unify Germany?
I don't who could pull it off maybe a cheeky bit of Bavaria (catholic)
Frankfurt, I mean, sort of.

Technically the Frankfurt Parliament was held in the state of Frankfurt.
 

CaliGuy

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But doesn't that lead to an Anglo-German personal union? I can't see France or Austria or Russia--or really anyone else other than Britain and the German revolutionaries--liking that idea at all.

Yeah, no, Parliament's going to throw a fit at the mere thought of having to get involved on the continent like that (they already disliked having Hanover occupy the king's attention, all of Germany's going to drive them wild). Other than that, Napoleon III has a massive aneurysm from the thought of an Anglo-German union, Nicolaus I's head explodes from the thought of a liberal world empire right on his border, Franz Joseph I dies a bit on the inside, Denmark panics, the whole balance of power gets defenestrated and Europe erupts into 7 Years' War Part II.

So, have King Victor abdicate as King of Britain.
 
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