Another preview of one of my timelines

Scarecrow · Nov 30, 2005

in fact De Witists could potentialy damage any CS-German allience. after all, there carnt be two master races, can there?

Straha · Nov 30, 2005

Interesting tidibt. The Confederacy evolves into an authoritarian state so it having something like nazi racial doctrine that it believes in will likely happen.

Straha · Nov 30, 2005

Scarecrow said:
in fact De Witists could potentialy damage any CS-German allience. after all, there carnt be two master races, can there?

Theres never any CS-germany alliance. Both powers *HATE* each other. The Germans see the CSA as being an "Africanized and barbarized rogue empire" and the CSA sees the germans as being insane mass murderers.

Scarecrow · Nov 30, 2005

Straha said:
Interesting tidibt. The Confederacy evolves into an authoritarian state so it having something like nazi racial doctrine that it believes in will likely happen.

heres another bit - the name should be DeBow, not DeWit.
also he sayeth that it is impossible to live in a soiciety that is free as: "[the ethic] is a system of selfishness, instead of a systemn of love."

and "the wage earner is inevitably exploited becasue to deprive the free laborer of his die and punch his family for food and clothing, is consistant with the philosophy of universal liberty - 'every man for himself'"

so DeBow was a durty stinkin communist! who believed in slavery. hmmm. i sense a new form of political ideology emerging. DeBowism, anyone?

Straha · Nov 30, 2005

I see this as justifying enough governmnet assistance to count as being equal to a big welfare state in size for the upper/middle class confederates.

Straha · Nov 30, 2005

I also see the CSA as being rather protectionist by now and doing alot of corporate welfare.

Wendell · Nov 30, 2005

This is a very interesting CSA that you are building. How will it treat Mestizos?

Straha · Nov 30, 2005

Wendell said:
This is a very interesting CSA that you are building. How will it treat Mestizos?

depends on how much money or land they have. If they're landowners they become mainstream citizens otherwise we see them relegated to the lower class along with poor whites.

Wendell · Nov 30, 2005

Straha said:
depends on how much money or land they have. If they're landowners they become mainstream citizens otherwise we see them relegated to the lower class along with poor whites.

Same with the natives in OTL Oklahoma?

Straha · Nov 30, 2005

Wendell said:
Same with the natives in OTL Oklahoma?

At the peace in 1865 we don't see the CSA as being allowed to have the indian territory. Since the indians and local whites tended to be largely pro-confederacy the US booted them out and used olkahoma as one of the places for black settlement.

Wendell · Nov 30, 2005

Straha said:
At the peace in 1865 we don't see the CSA as being allowed to have the indian territory. Since the indians and local whites tended to be largely pro-confederacy the US booted them out and used olkahoma as one of the places for black settlement.

Okay. I missed that earlier. Might that bother C.S. military strategists?

Straha · Nov 30, 2005

Wendell said:
Okay. I missed that earlier. Might that bother C.S. military strategists?

Smart boy, you've figured out part of the reason why the US/CS never kiss and make up in this TL.

Wendell · Nov 30, 2005

Straha said:
Smart boy, you've figured out part of the reason why the US/CS never kiss and make up in this TL.

Makes sense. That could get interesting...

Straha · Nov 30, 2005

Wendell said:
Makes sense. That could get interesting...

Trust me it does. The CSA will have to put up with a large population of freed blacks on its borders. That alone will give slaves bad ideas...

Wendell · Nov 30, 2005

Straha said:
Trust me it does. The CSA will have to put up with a large population of freed blacks on its borders. That alone will give slaves bad ideas...

Good point. How Francophone is Louisiana in TTL?

Straha · Nov 30, 2005

Wendell said:
Good point. How Francophone is Louisiana in TTL?

Around OTL's level but its even more influenced than southern culture with no yankee/northern influences.

Wendell · Nov 30, 2005

Straha said:
Around OTL's level but its even more influenced than southern culture with no yankee/northern influences.

Okay, thanks.

Straha · Nov 30, 2005

Ok. Cuba ends up eventually being semi-bilingual(mostly english speaking but still a large minority of spanish speakers). The same happens all over the more populated center of mexico. The northern/southern thirds of meixco which were empty until the early to mid 20th century at OTL end up with OTL's louisiana levels of non-english speaking at best.

Wendell · Nov 30, 2005

Straha said:
Ok. Cuba ends up eventually being semi-bilingual(mostly english speaking but still a large minority of spanish speakers). The same happens all over the more populated center of mexico. The northern/southern thirds of meixco which were empty until the early to mid 20th century at OTL end up with OTL's louisiana levels of non-english speaking at best.

Makes sense. I posed my question because something had occurred to me. What is nationalism like in this world?

Straha · Nov 30, 2005

Wendell said:
Makes sense. I posed my question because something had occurred to me. What is nationalism like in this world?

Pretty much the same as OTL.