Another preview of one of my timelines
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Some More Weird Ideas...
-First, with the absence of Canadian forces in the Boer War in 1899 British victory will not be assured. While the odds are against the Afrikaaners, the odds become increasingly difficult. This causes a greater strain on the British economy...
-Second, as with Quebec/Canada in OTL, by 1968, there will be debate about a possible bill regarding "English Only" or "Billigualism Now". Either way, the country will have to face concerns about its cultural identity, including language, race, measurment (e.g. metric system), and eligion. This alone could spark another civil war. In OTL, what has prevented a Quebecois secession has been the fact that a native of Quebec has been PM over the past 25 years....
-First, with the absence of Canadian forces in the Boer War in 1899 British victory will not be assured. While the odds are against the Afrikaaners, the odds become increasingly difficult. This causes a greater strain on the British economy...
-Second, as with Quebec/Canada in OTL, by 1968, there will be debate about a possible bill regarding "English Only" or "Billigualism Now". Either way, the country will have to face concerns about its cultural identity, including language, race, measurment (e.g. metric system), and eligion. This alone could spark another civil war. In OTL, what has prevented a Quebecois secession has been the fact that a native of Quebec has been PM over the past 25 years....
Something to Consider...
First, in an ATL wherein Quebec secedes from Canada, along with Manitoba, not only will you have strong anti-French cultural hatred among the British, you will also have strong anti-Catholic bias. One sign would be the celebration of the Guy Fawkes Day holiday many in the Roman Catholic community see as a slanderous action....
-Second, in the CSA, you will have Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama protest British actions against Quebec. The French roots in Louisiana are still very strong and would have many leaders from Shreveport to New Orleans protesting any military action by the British. This could easily start the rift between Great Britain and the CSA...
First, in an ATL wherein Quebec secedes from Canada, along with Manitoba, not only will you have strong anti-French cultural hatred among the British, you will also have strong anti-Catholic bias. One sign would be the celebration of the Guy Fawkes Day holiday many in the Roman Catholic community see as a slanderous action....
-Second, in the CSA, you will have Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama protest British actions against Quebec. The French roots in Louisiana are still very strong and would have many leaders from Shreveport to New Orleans protesting any military action by the British. This could easily start the rift between Great Britain and the CSA...
Straha
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Why not have the POD be Canada falling in the revolution and florida being ceded to the US instead of back to spain. with more of a Northerly bias to the US we could see less comprmoises made for the slavers. Imagine a US from virginia to hudson's bay then some southern nation from north carolina to florida.Wendell said:
I could the new split off nation's history being more like brazil or a carribean nation with slavery playing A BIGGER rol.
Exactly. Now you're on it. I'm facing an issue with the Louisiana Purchase though. I planned to give all of it south of 36 degrees, 30 minutes to the "Carolina Republic," and then the rest to the U.S.Straha said:
Eventually, Carolina would have 13 states, and fly the Confederate Battle Flag of OTL. I had some other thoughts as well.
Straha
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Some other things for you to consider:
The Deep south(SC,GA,NC,MS,AL) have tended to be the most militarist/imperialistic parts of the country. Consider that before the ACW they kep trying to expand slavery. Even now some of that tradition remains with their support for the more militaristic of the two parties. Imagine wars to take over carribean states or central american nations.
With slavery being a continuing thing of importance imagine Carolina keeping up the slave trade decades longer than OTL. Imagine things like slave revolts. This gets worse if mexico is conquered. Imagien things like coups, hyperinflation and other bad things.
The Deep south(SC,GA,NC,MS,AL) have tended to be the most militarist/imperialistic parts of the country. Consider that before the ACW they kep trying to expand slavery. Even now some of that tradition remains with their support for the more militaristic of the two parties. Imagine wars to take over carribean states or central american nations.
With slavery being a continuing thing of importance imagine Carolina keeping up the slave trade decades longer than OTL. Imagine things like slave revolts. This gets worse if mexico is conquered. Imagien things like coups, hyperinflation and other bad things.
Tough Mexican resistance, protests from the United States, and all of the good generals being Yankees here. I was thinking about having an independent California here too, but it would only be SoCal and Baja.Straha said:
And then, I've wondered about a Mormon state centered around the Salton Sea rather than the Great Salt Lake, but that's a separate TL.
Something To Consider....
-First, one can easily imagine an ATL wherein the Afrocentirc movement of the 1960s and 1970s claims that the CSA was originally a "black nation". Using elements of the Book of Mormon and the discovery of Olmec heads, and the teachings of Marcus Garvey in the 1920s to claim that Kush leaders led the early colonization of the Mexico. For more information, check out this site:
http://www.carnaval.com/columbus/olmecs.htm
or
http://www.answers.com/topic/afrocentrism
As such, you have the political radicalism of one generation attempt to overthrow the culture of the last generation. If anything, this would certainly be similar to the actions and justifications by Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe...
-Second, another thing to consider is the state of the Mormons in the ATL. At the very least they will represent the most conservative elements of US society. In an ATL, you can imagine Salt Lake City, Utah standing in for Little Rock, Arkansas or Birmingham, Alabama as watershed areas for the civil rights movement. IN OTL, consider the fact that the Mormons did not allow African-Americans in to the Church priesthood until 1978. The added problem is that any intervention of National Guard or U.S. Army will have to weigh the issue of "religious freedoms versus racial equality..." For more information, check out:
http://www.strangite.org/African.htm
-First, one can easily imagine an ATL wherein the Afrocentirc movement of the 1960s and 1970s claims that the CSA was originally a "black nation". Using elements of the Book of Mormon and the discovery of Olmec heads, and the teachings of Marcus Garvey in the 1920s to claim that Kush leaders led the early colonization of the Mexico. For more information, check out this site:
http://www.carnaval.com/columbus/olmecs.htm
or
http://www.answers.com/topic/afrocentrism
As such, you have the political radicalism of one generation attempt to overthrow the culture of the last generation. If anything, this would certainly be similar to the actions and justifications by Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe...
-Second, another thing to consider is the state of the Mormons in the ATL. At the very least they will represent the most conservative elements of US society. In an ATL, you can imagine Salt Lake City, Utah standing in for Little Rock, Arkansas or Birmingham, Alabama as watershed areas for the civil rights movement. IN OTL, consider the fact that the Mormons did not allow African-Americans in to the Church priesthood until 1978. The added problem is that any intervention of National Guard or U.S. Army will have to weigh the issue of "religious freedoms versus racial equality..." For more information, check out:
http://www.strangite.org/African.htm