Another preview of one of my timelines
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For My Next Trick....
-First, something that would certainly be a POD is the issue of Catholic/Protestant relations in the CSA. Consider the fact that in OTL, until 1923, a Catholic was not allowed to hold office in the UK. When you have a population wherein, starting in c.1868-1877, begins to see close to 35% of their population practicing a wherein they follow the dictates of a "feudal dictator who sets himself up in Rome...." There are going to be a lot of problems. In 1914, in OTL, you have President Woodrow Wilson say,"After prostitution, the worst thing in Mexico is the Catholic Church. Both must disappear..." In OTL, this led to the 1924-1928 Cristeros Uprising in Mexico, which viewed the government as a corrupt secular vehicle. For more information, check out:
http://www.sspx.ca/Angelus/2002_January/The_Cristeros.htm
Try to imagine an ATL, wherein the Cristeros are seen in the same light and fashion as the Irish Republican Army (IRA). This alone will turn the situation very ugly....
Until Next Time....
-First, something that would certainly be a POD is the issue of Catholic/Protestant relations in the CSA. Consider the fact that in OTL, until 1923, a Catholic was not allowed to hold office in the UK. When you have a population wherein, starting in c.1868-1877, begins to see close to 35% of their population practicing a wherein they follow the dictates of a "feudal dictator who sets himself up in Rome...." There are going to be a lot of problems. In 1914, in OTL, you have President Woodrow Wilson say,"After prostitution, the worst thing in Mexico is the Catholic Church. Both must disappear..." In OTL, this led to the 1924-1928 Cristeros Uprising in Mexico, which viewed the government as a corrupt secular vehicle. For more information, check out:
http://www.sspx.ca/Angelus/2002_January/The_Cristeros.htm
Try to imagine an ATL, wherein the Cristeros are seen in the same light and fashion as the Irish Republican Army (IRA). This alone will turn the situation very ugly....
Until Next Time....
I have always wondered why in scenarios with a USA and a CSA tend to expand, the sum of both tend to expand than OTL USA. Wouldn't they fight for the same area? Would the CSA be strong enough as to invade Mexico, Cuba and Mesoamerica? Wouldn't they avoid this in order not to be ethnically overrun by hispanics?
If That's So...
If that is the case, you have a very strange movement developing in the ATL. In OTL the area was famous for the development of several African Diaspora movements. The first was the "Back to Africa" 1900s-1920s movement led by Marcus Garvey, a native of Jamaica. You also have the development of the early Rastafarian Movement which arose in the 1930s, inspired by Ethiopia Emperor Haile Selassie. In OTL, these movement shaped the views of African-American culture on the East Coast...
Also, with the absence of the Southern Migration of African American workers in the 1930s and 1940s, the presence of these colonies will have a major impact on culture. Try to imagine a U.S. pop culture, forgoing the Harlem Renaissance, and embracing ska and dance hall music in the 1930s and 1940s. By the 1950 and early 1960s you have a culture ready for reggae....
Straha said:
If that is the case, you have a very strange movement developing in the ATL. In OTL the area was famous for the development of several African Diaspora movements. The first was the "Back to Africa" 1900s-1920s movement led by Marcus Garvey, a native of Jamaica. You also have the development of the early Rastafarian Movement which arose in the 1930s, inspired by Ethiopia Emperor Haile Selassie. In OTL, these movement shaped the views of African-American culture on the East Coast...
Also, with the absence of the Southern Migration of African American workers in the 1930s and 1940s, the presence of these colonies will have a major impact on culture. Try to imagine a U.S. pop culture, forgoing the Harlem Renaissance, and embracing ska and dance hall music in the 1930s and 1940s. By the 1950 and early 1960s you have a culture ready for reggae....
Not A Bryan Adam's Song...
When you have the USA takeover Canada. The history of the region doesn't have to be boring. Consider the fact that you have two major rebellions that could wreck havoc with national untity. First, you have the Metis Rebellion under Louis Riel in 1871 (a.k.a. the Red River Rebellion, the Metis Rebellion) who launched a guerilla campaign throughout Manitoba and Rupert's Land. You also have the 1885 Northwest Rebellion, again led by Louis Riel. In OTL, the U.S. government remained neutral but granted Luis Riel amnesty during his attempts at rebellion. For more inforamation, please check out the following link:
http://www.histori.ca/peace/page.do?pageID=233
When you have the USA takeover Canada. The history of the region doesn't have to be boring. Consider the fact that you have two major rebellions that could wreck havoc with national untity. First, you have the Metis Rebellion under Louis Riel in 1871 (a.k.a. the Red River Rebellion, the Metis Rebellion) who launched a guerilla campaign throughout Manitoba and Rupert's Land. You also have the 1885 Northwest Rebellion, again led by Louis Riel. In OTL, the U.S. government remained neutral but granted Luis Riel amnesty during his attempts at rebellion. For more inforamation, please check out the following link:
http://www.histori.ca/peace/page.do?pageID=233
Somethings to Consider...
-In an ATL wherein the CSA successfully secedes, the real test of civil rights will not be with African-Americans, but rather with Asian Americans in California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, and Nevada. Consider that the first tests of the "equal protection clauses" of the 14th Amendment were used to protect the rights of Chinese-Americans during the "Yellow Scare". As such, you can have the civil rights violence of the 1950s/1960s in places like San Francisco, Seattle, Los Angeles, and San Diego...
-In an ATL, where the majority of African-Americans in the USA are refugees from the CSA or the states of Haiti, Dominican Repulic, Jamaica, Bahamas, and Puerto Rico, the political ideas will be based more on the conservative ideas of "self-reliance and self-determination". Odds are, they would support gun laws, with a healthy membership in the National Rifle Association. They would also consider the social welfare system to be considered only as a "social net" to help those in most dire need...
-In an ATL wherein the CSA successfully secedes, the real test of civil rights will not be with African-Americans, but rather with Asian Americans in California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, and Nevada. Consider that the first tests of the "equal protection clauses" of the 14th Amendment were used to protect the rights of Chinese-Americans during the "Yellow Scare". As such, you can have the civil rights violence of the 1950s/1960s in places like San Francisco, Seattle, Los Angeles, and San Diego...
-In an ATL, where the majority of African-Americans in the USA are refugees from the CSA or the states of Haiti, Dominican Repulic, Jamaica, Bahamas, and Puerto Rico, the political ideas will be based more on the conservative ideas of "self-reliance and self-determination". Odds are, they would support gun laws, with a healthy membership in the National Rifle Association. They would also consider the social welfare system to be considered only as a "social net" to help those in most dire need...
Some Things To Consider...
-First, in the absence of a strong centralized law enforcement agency in the CSA, you don't have to have defy the constitution and create a FBI. One thing that can be done is the creation of a semi-private police and intelligence agency (e.g. Pinkerton Detective Agency) to deal with crimes that go across state borders. As such, you install a bounty system, whereby criminals are logged in by the various states or agencies, while a bulletin board is constantly updated (e.g. stock exchange) which determines the bounty based on seriousness of the crime, property damage, et. al to determine a bounty. Different agencies would collect a fee for contracts, and subsequently the bounty-hunter would collect the fee, minus any damage done or injuries sustained...
-Second, in consideration of Europe. Something that maybe an issue is the development of state-owned/guided corporations. Consider that you have a situation wherein the model of U.S. free-market capitalism is considered a flawed model, especially in the aftermath of "the War of Southron Independence". As such, while you may not have fascism or communism, you will most certainly have mercantilism. The idea would be that the mother country would collect the raw economic materials for products, while the state would own the factories in an effort to control the intake of profits. Imported good from outside the country would be allowed but would be placed under "protective tariffs". The idea is that further tariffs would be placed on "strategic sectors" of the economy. The closest model in OTL, would be the economic policies of Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan during the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s....
-First, in the absence of a strong centralized law enforcement agency in the CSA, you don't have to have defy the constitution and create a FBI. One thing that can be done is the creation of a semi-private police and intelligence agency (e.g. Pinkerton Detective Agency) to deal with crimes that go across state borders. As such, you install a bounty system, whereby criminals are logged in by the various states or agencies, while a bulletin board is constantly updated (e.g. stock exchange) which determines the bounty based on seriousness of the crime, property damage, et. al to determine a bounty. Different agencies would collect a fee for contracts, and subsequently the bounty-hunter would collect the fee, minus any damage done or injuries sustained...
-Second, in consideration of Europe. Something that maybe an issue is the development of state-owned/guided corporations. Consider that you have a situation wherein the model of U.S. free-market capitalism is considered a flawed model, especially in the aftermath of "the War of Southron Independence". As such, while you may not have fascism or communism, you will most certainly have mercantilism. The idea would be that the mother country would collect the raw economic materials for products, while the state would own the factories in an effort to control the intake of profits. Imported good from outside the country would be allowed but would be placed under "protective tariffs". The idea is that further tariffs would be placed on "strategic sectors" of the economy. The closest model in OTL, would be the economic policies of Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan during the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s....
Some Weird Aspects...
- Something that will be interesting is the introduction in the CSA. With its annexation of Mexico and Cuba, you will have an earlier exposure to peyote, marijuana, mescallin, and cocaine. This can lead to even more confusion if some states decide to ban the drugs while others decide to regulate and legalize. Meanwhile, the USA will have the standard problems of opium from the Asian-American communities, marijuana in the African-American communities, but overall, the drug of choice will be alcohol. While this is certainly true of both the CSA and USA, the fact is that the it will be more culturally accepted. Overall, the drug scene in of the USA will resemble teh current scene in Canada, with a low narcotic addiction, and possible decriminalization of marijuana based on "medical usage"...
- Something that will be interesting is the introduction in the CSA. With its annexation of Mexico and Cuba, you will have an earlier exposure to peyote, marijuana, mescallin, and cocaine. This can lead to even more confusion if some states decide to ban the drugs while others decide to regulate and legalize. Meanwhile, the USA will have the standard problems of opium from the Asian-American communities, marijuana in the African-American communities, but overall, the drug of choice will be alcohol. While this is certainly true of both the CSA and USA, the fact is that the it will be more culturally accepted. Overall, the drug scene in of the USA will resemble teh current scene in Canada, with a low narcotic addiction, and possible decriminalization of marijuana based on "medical usage"...